newfoundmass Posted January 5, 2023 Author Share Posted January 5, 2023 The latest firmware people were sent seems to have improved the IBIS (less wobble in the corners with wider angle lenses) and auto focus performance. Given not everyone mentioned that in their videos indicates they maybe weren't using the latest update? stephen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyalinejim Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Looks like a really excellent camera. A nice new feature is ability to burn in up to 10 user LUTs in both JPEG stills and video. SMGJohn and Emanuel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyalinejim Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 And APSC mode is easy to access - good for giving lenses a 1.5x reach, up to 4k. Maybe a HD 2x crop is possible using Live Cropping, but I'm not too familiar with that mode? @PannySVHS PannySVHS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PannySVHS Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 @hyalinejim Thanks, but I couldn't find that on my S1 with the newest firmware. It's on the S5 but not on the S1. I liked the menus of the GH5 but the menus on the S1 are a horror to me btw. I imagine it's the same with the S5. The interface to dial through the menu is pure horror to me indeed. Maybe that's another reason why i am not willing to use my S1 much. If i had more jobs for Dslm use, it would be different, of course. But even then i rent a Gh5 or use my Fs700. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PannySVHS Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 The 2x mode on the Gh5 is a 2.5K image, half of the horizontal pixel count btw. @kye is a fan of this mode, as I am too. My tiny GX85 also has it! I wished the S line had the same or more flexibility with crop modes and ratios. Gh5 was pretty sweet in that regard. Gh6 lost the 1.4x Super16 mode on the other hand, which the Gh5 had. 4to3 S16 with full Super16 gate width or 1 to 1.66? Yes, please!:) Now, Panny, give us a Gx85 with 10bit. 599, yes please! Instant buy. Thpriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Theoretically a person could have a custom V-log to S-log LUT in their S5mk2 camera and be able to smoothly shoot alongside Sony cameras as well? Hmmm Could (kinda... half way) "fix" one of the other big negatives about the Panasonic cameras: "it is not Sony". As Sony is the dominant player in the pro market for anything low to mid budget (i.e. "not ARRI"). So very frequently you'll see a Sony Camera Op being requested, so that they smoothly integrate in with their existing workflow. SRV1981, FHDcrew and A_Urquhart 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 The other big problem for Panasonic is there no upwards path to progress with the L Mount. Desperately there is an EVA2 with an L Mount that is needed! (so very sad that a EVA1 MFT never happened 😕 ) Seems the cinema camera division at Panasonic has been gutted, so I guess an EVA2 (of any sorts) won't be happening? If a future EVA1 sequel will never happen, and the LUMIX team have to step up to the plate, then perhaps a "Panasonic BS2H" is what is needed?? (an updated BS1H!) Apparently the boss of the cinema division now works in the LUMIX division, and I'd say that is very very very good news indeed! Gives me hope for a future "Panasonic BS2H" This BS2H could have dual SDI outputs (with zero delay, and independent), plus internal NDs, and that would make everyone very very happy. (plus of course keep everything good about the BS1H, and bring over all the goodness of the S5mk2) Kisaha, A_Urquhart and Thpriest 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FHDcrew Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 40 minutes ago, IronFilm said: Theoretically a person could have a custom V-log to S-log LUT in their S5mk2 camera and be able to smoothly shoot alongside Sony cameras as well? Hmmm Could (kinda... half way) "fix" one of the other big negatives about the Panasonic cameras: "it is not Sony". As Sony is the dominant player in the pro market for anything low to mid budget (i.e. "not ARRI"). So very frequently you'll see a Sony Camera Op being requested, so that they smoothly integrate in with their existing workflow. Could buy cinematch, convert to SLOG3 and export the result as a LUT from Resolve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyalinejim Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 33 minutes ago, PannySVHS said: the menus on the S1 are a horror to me btw. I imagine it's the same with the S5 The S5 follows the example of the GH6 when it comes to menus, if that makes you feel any better 😂 8 minutes ago, IronFilm said: custom V-log to S-log LUT It's certainly an interesting possibility. It would be great to be able to say to potential clients that you can offer them a range of flavours of log, all from the same camera. Perhaps people with external recorders have been able to do this for a while now. 20 minutes ago, FHDcrew said: Could buy cinematch, convert to SLOG3 and export the result as a LUT from Resolve? You can make a LUT to convert to and from a range of gammas and gamuts using LutCalc http://cameramanben.github.io/LUTCalc/LUTCalc/index.html However, there's probably a bit more to it than that insofar as the colour response of sensor A is still going to be different from sensor B. In the same way that many Panasonic cameras have V-Log but do not necessarily match, eg: GH5 and GH6. Presumably, the difference between Sony and Panasonic [converted to SLog] could be even greater. (I guess Cinematch addresses by doing further colour matching based on model? If it doesn't, it should ideally) In complex edits where 2 or more different cameras were used it would certainly be more convenient to have the conversion of one camera to another baked into the file, rather than trying to discern or remember which camera took which shot and therefore which needs a conversion LUT and which doesn't. Nevertheless, I would do extensive testing before baking anything in for a few reasons: 1. The maximum size cube LUT in-camera is 33 point (or at least it is on the GH6 and I'm presuming it's the same). Might this create banding in some situations, where a 65 point LUT dropped on the timeline wouldn't? 2. There are a few hoops to jump through in creating the LUT to load in camera. The LUT you create might work well in your usual NLE but will give unexpected results when applied in camera, particularly in terms of whether it is designed to work on data or video levels. All this stuff can be figured out for sure, but like so many things in life there's more complexity to it than first meets the eye. PannySVHS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRV1981 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 2 hours ago, hyalinejim said: Looks like a really excellent camera. A nice new feature is ability to burn in up to 10 user LUTs in both JPEG stills and video. When you say baked in LUT do you mean the image on the SD card will look like that LUT SOOC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyalinejim Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 9 minutes ago, SRV1981 said: the image on the SD card will look like that LUT SOOC? Yes, supposedly. SRV1981 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRV1981 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 16 minutes ago, hyalinejim said: Yes, supposedly. That’s ridiculous ! 😮. I was close to purchasing an A7IV and now thinking S5II is the go to!?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 21 minutes ago, hyalinejim said: Yes, supposedly. You can record to two cards at once I believe, would be very cool if you could apply the LUT to one card and leave the other card untouched? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted January 5, 2023 Author Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, SRV1981 said: When you say baked in LUT do you mean the image on the SD card will look like that LUT SOOC? Correct. The Slanted Lens did this for their video on the S5II. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Maze Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Hey guys! Still finishing up my full review. Do you guys have any questions about it? newfoundmass, SRV1981, MurtlandPhoto and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thpriest Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 5 minutes ago, Dave Maze said: Hey guys! Still finishing up my full review. Do you guys have any questions about it? Hi Dave, if you have Sigma lenses more AF tests with them. How good if AF locking onto one person in a group or scene with various people. How good is magnify to check focus while filming? (only Jordan from DP review has mentioned that I think). Let us know what firmware you are on! I think Panasonic should have made every reviewer stat exactly which firmware they are on as there seems to be some confusion there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyalinejim Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, Dave Maze said: Do you guys have any questions about it? Thanks for asking! 1. Is there any option to easily do a 2x crop when recording HD? A few users here, myself included, loved this feature on the GH5 and miss it on newer cams. A user here @deezid in search of an ideal organic image wrote (in relation to the GH6), Quote To be fair no other MFT cameras but the GH5 II was completely sharpening free Quote Using V-Log and internal ProRes, the amount of noise reduction is by far the least I've seen on any Lumix camera, especially chroma NR. Which also means that it outperforms the S Series when it comes to capturing chroma detail below middle gray (important for skin, foliage etc) 2. How does S5 II V-Log strike you with NR and sharpness at 0, in comparison to other Panasonic cameras, if you're familiar with them to that degree? 3. Any additional feedback on autofocus performance using EF (including third party EF) lenses with the Sigma MC-21 adapter, if you have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 31 minutes ago, Dave Maze said: Hey guys! Still finishing up my full review. Do you guys have any questions about it? Please double triple check if the rolling shutter and HDMI delay is really as bad as some people say it is! 😕 😞 Would be great to get another hard facts measurement (plus an opinion too!) on this. Could you make a V-log to S-log conversion LUT, then burn that into the recorded files on the S5mk2 then tell (& show!) us how close that is in terms of matching with native Sony cameras & their S-log files? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Unfortunately the S5 IIX only does 1080 ProRes internal recordings. I hope they add 2K ProRes as well! Because that's a very common resolution with ProRes. And SD cards can handle 2K. (and the SD cards is why it doesn't have 4K ProRes, and records to an external USB drive instead) Kisaha and Thpriest 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Dave Maze said: Hey guys! Still finishing up my full review. Do you guys have any questions about it? Do Panasonic S5 II has the 200$ option for external RAW video ? Is BRAW supported as external RAW video format ? It should be as all current models have it. Just want a clarification as all other reviewers talk about ProRes and ProRes RAW as external video option for Panasonic S5 II X model Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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