newfoundmass Posted March 31, 2023 Author Share Posted March 31, 2023 I've seen some really good stuff from the S5II, so I think overall it's a very good release. But they do need to fix the issues that are there and let people know that they're working on them. Given their track record I am confident that they will, but I hate how poor their communication can be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 1 hour ago, newfoundmass said: I've seen some really good stuff from the S5II, so I think overall it's a very good release. Ditto. I have also seen some utter garbage but then those folks putting that out seem to specialise in garbage no matter what camera they are playing with that week, so… Some of the early really good stuff, as with the S1H and the Sigma FP, they used pretty expensive cine lenses for their approx 10-15 minute short films (think Blur or Blurred? by Sigma and Lumix’s lost in space job) but for one recent one I saw, just ‘ordinary’ lenses. I’ll go see if I can find it… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 OK, found it pretty quickly but my mistake, was cine lenses again but relatively affordable DZO. There is also a BTS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_one Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 3 hours ago, deezid said: Same, color looks better and the shadows aren't green (no banding either). Panasonic has to fix their issues with the S5II. I think this is the biggest thing that has started to have me considering returning the camera while I still have a week left to do so. Also, all the exterior footage I've shot and seen online looks leaning towards a magenta/brown tint too much. The latitude and banding issues in the S5 facebook group seems to fall on deaf ears when called out. I actually thought V-log colors were better on skin and clothes in the studio scene in that video, but the green shadows are really not great when compared to original S5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Hoping that somebody does a side by side of the S5 ii and the new sony zv-e1. I know it overheats but it ticks so many boxes that it kinda makes me regret buying the s5 II. The highlight rolloff looks so nice in the footage that I have seen online so far. (smaller). One of the biggest downsides of the sony is that adapting EF glass to it will not AF as good as Sony glass, while on the s5 II it really works so good. SRV1981 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beritar Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 16 hours ago, j_one said: I think this is the biggest thing that has started to have me considering returning the camera while I still have a week left to do so. Also, all the exterior footage I've shot and seen online looks leaning towards a magenta/brown tint too much. The latitude and banding issues in the S5 facebook group seems to fall on deaf ears when called out. I actually thought V-log colors were better on skin and clothes in the studio scene in that video, but the green shadows are really not great when compared to original S5. Yes I can really see a difference with my S5 since the first day I bouth the S5II. And the other profiles are even worse. I use a lot Natural and Cine-V in low light, there are just too much details filtering on the S5II with these profiles, it looks very similar to Sony (even worse than Sony at very low ISO) : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PannySVHS Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 Why the bumping sharpness up to the limits in this comparison? I find the material not easy to observe and evaluate. The light looks rather very undifferentiated to my eyes in order to be able to form an opinion about the image quality of these cameras. They look all the same to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beritar Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 22 hours ago, PannySVHS said: Why the bumping sharpness up to the limits in this comparison? I find the material not easy to observe and evaluate. The light looks rather very undifferentiated to my eyes in order to be able to form an opinion about the image quality of these cameras. They look all the same to me. Why ? To see that both the A7III and S5II can't be sharpened (in camera or in post) because of the huge amount of noise reduction and detals filtering. The bad light is used to see how the cameras perform in difficult situations and how they use their noise reduction algorithm. Seriously I can see the difference even when viewing in 1080P, both the A7III and the S5II smooth details a lot compared to the S5, to the point that adding sharpness in post just look like upscaled from a lower resolution. If you can't see the difference and use the Panasonic standard profiles, you can buy the camera with confidence, but personally I see a big difference with the previous Panasonic S cameras. It is the most aggressive NR, and over sharpening (especially in 6K) i've ever seen on any Panasonic camera to date. deezid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyalinejim Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 Personally, I would never, ever in a million years add sharpening to a video clip. Emanuel, deezid, zerocool22 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92F Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTFBjaKApV4 Everything is compromised according to our use, our needs, our efficiency in production...and our aesthetic sensitivity. We win on one side, we lose on the other.... which is the best? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92F Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 Not impossible that the AF is a bit the cause ? Take a good look, there is a moment when the sharpness changes both on the S5 and S5 II side... look at the freckles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanzzxx Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 Does anyone know what ProRes resolutions and aspect ratios the 5iix will be able to shoot internally? 1080p open gate in 422 10 bit would be awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted April 6, 2023 Author Share Posted April 6, 2023 2 hours ago, seanzzxx said: Does anyone know what ProRes resolutions and aspect ratios the 5iix will be able to shoot internally? 1080p open gate in 422 10 bit would be awesome. I'm not sure it has been confirmed either way. I heard a few say it was 1080p only, but others didn't mention that at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 On 4/2/2023 at 9:54 AM, hyalinejim said: Personally, I would never, ever in a million years add sharpening to a video clip. For sure if hardly yesterday unless going with SD video, go figure today... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyalinejim Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 @MrSMW I picked up a Sigma 18-50 to use in crop mode based on your recommendation and it's great! Vignetting and distortion corrections work. AF is great (quiet as a mouse, I think it's actually totally silent). Build quality is good. Image looks good. I'm going to use it as a family/holiday lens. Thanks for the tip! I never would have spotted it otherwise, as it's not a popular choice for Panasonic L mount. I think I got the only one in all of Ireland! Juank, Kisaha and MrSMW 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 Yep, it’s a great little lens with a fantastic 27-75mm FF equivalent constant f2.8 aperture in a tiny package, currently welded to my S5ii. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thpriest Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 On 4/21/2023 at 9:05 PM, MrSMW said: Yep, it’s a great little lens with a fantastic 27-75mm FF equivalent constant f2.8 aperture in a tiny package, currently welded to my S5ii. How's the S5ii holding up on your wedding shoots? Are you enjoying using the camera and what you are getting out of it? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Thpriest said: How's the S5ii holding up on your wedding shoots? Are you enjoying using the camera and what you are getting out of it? Thanks! Early days and as with the S5 that preceded it, like it but don’t love it. To be fair, it’s not it’s fault but more my use case for it which is long static stuff and a tiny amount of gimbal. Edited one shoot so far with it and no idea what the critics are saying about it…but as above, fairly limited and controlled use so far. Shot another job but not edited it yet and then a third later this week. Really, the S1H is my workhorse for the greater part of my video work and that is a case of ‘love’ over simply ‘like’. Has a certain mojo to both using it and the output. In other news, my pair of S1R’s came back today and just in the nick of time as I leave tomorrow for my next job. I’ve tried selling one of them once previously but came to the conclusion last week, without going Sony or Nikon (both with native or adapted Tamron lenses), I just cannot get from my current need for 4 working cameras, to 3. Not without chucking 10k into the mix on top of all my trade in kit…and I cannot justify the cost right now. Or this year. Not complaining though… In my ideal world, I would flip to a 3 camera system without hesitation but also unless any future camera has internal ND, using any system for hybrid work is a pain in the arse! I know because I have been wrestling with it for about 12 years and still have not found the ‘perfect’ solution. Does it exist? Nope. Could it exist? Yep. Easily, if we mashed up a few of best bits of several manufacturers… Will it exist? Probably soon. I think we are one step away and it will become reality if internal ND’s can become a common thing. In the meantime, I will ‘soldier’ on with my pair of S1R’s for stills (and emergency video use), S1H for primary/creative filmmaking and S5ii for the more static stuff, gimbal and anything requiring good AF. Thpriest, Juank, 92F and 3 others 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRV1981 Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 Wanted to check-in and see where people see this hybrid camera compared to the a7iv, S5II? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 11 hours ago, SRV1981 said: Wanted to check-in and see where people see this hybrid camera compared to the a7iv, S5II? One shoots slightly higher res stills and the other shoots ‘arguably’ nicer video. Real world, not that much difference. Folks tend to prefer one brand over another for any number of reasons. Personal needs and choice in the end. I have looked at; Olympus, Fuji, Sony and Nikon at one time or another (usually too many times!) in the last few years, but the combo of Panasonic bodies and Sigma lenses works best for me, all factors considered and the S5iix is going to be my workhorse for the foreseeable future, for photo and video. SRV1981 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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