Administrators Andrew Reid Posted August 19, 2014 Administrators Share Posted August 19, 2014 Sometimes the rumour mill is just so outrageous. I am not talking about the site admins (don't shoot the messenger - they do a great job) but rather some of the sources who feed absolutely made up information. You may have heard the rumours of the Olympus E-M1 getting a 4K video firmware update, but 4K video on the E-M1 is a technical impossibility and here's why...Read the full article here Cinegain 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeys Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Sometimes I think these sources are also disinformation agents. Also fanboys with a lot of wishful thinking (see all the FF rumours from Olympus/Fujifilm/Pentax). Also to add on point #1: The E-M1 already heats up in an extended stills session that leaves the camera on all the time. The GH3/4 are just about the only mirrorless cameras that I've used that remain cool after prolonged use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Not talking about you here, but mainly 43Rumors. Why would they keep the person identity a secret if he is publicly announcing these rumors on his twitter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I understand your point of view: not wanting to give him traffic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Good to hear your thoughts on this one, Andrew. I have been excited by this camera as a potential video tool ever since seeing your review on it. I film weddings for a living and that IBIS... wow, so many occasions over the last few years when I would have got better shots more quickly with that. A little fedup of the rigs and z-finders and plates... handheld would be so much more fun and unobtrusive when I'm not mounted on sticks. I don't believe 4K is possible either, but the rapidly turning mill makes me excited that 24/25p and a codec (that might deliver an image akin to what the GH3 does...) might be probable. Thanks for all your great work on the site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnymossville Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I saw the rumor and thought it was absolutely ridiculous, but I guess people will still dream of the impossible. I'm not even sure the next Gen Olympus will get 4k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgreszcz Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 This is from Olympus' official youtube channel related to the E-P5 getting higher frame rates in 720p. Don't know if it is for real or not, as it was published in July and I haven't seen it yet. The video examples shown in the clip were shot on the E-P5? I'm not so sure as mine get blocky when shooting wide depth of field with lots of detail or movement. http://youtu.be/cVZABJ-lzeA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzynormal Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I agree that this particular rumor is a bit silly, but I can understand the tendency of enthusiasts to imagine such a thing is possible. We're all well aware that manufacturers deliberately throttle back their hardware. Combine this knowledge with exact ignorance of the technical capabilities, and the wishful thinking is actually kinda rational. I, for one, am curious why the GX7, for instance, cannot handle RAW bursts larger than 1080 that last a handful of seconds. Why exactly couldn't it shoot 10 seconds of 4592x3448 with a firmware hack or update? For that matter, why couldn't the EM1? I mean, that's sort of a version of 4K. A cheap Nikon can burst hi-res raw, but flagship models from the major camera brands can't? Seems weirdly unreasonable, even if it's somehow the reality of the sensor capabilities. Maybe there's an obvious explanation, but it's not readily available without some tenacious digging into on-line info. Or, perhaps someone here knows exactly why. Point is, there's a pretty big gray area. And developer groups like Magic Lantern have delved into those darker shades and illuminated new possibilities...so it's easy to hope for better things with a simple installation of new code. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eoslover Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 based on the clip above showing e-p5 shooting 120fps/240fps, i am not shocked that there will be 4k on E-M1 but the quality obviously will not be as good as GH4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ebrahim Saadawi Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Andrew: Third point in incorrect I believe. The Panasonic Sensor in the GH4 and EM1 does support higher frame rates in the official product specifications. 240p and 481p modes. The same sensor is capturing 4K video on the GH4 so I don't think it's too impossible it could do too on the EM1. Perhaps with he IBIS off due to heat? Or even maybe that specific sensor produces the same amount of heat in 1080p as is 4K? I haven't noticed the GH4 getting warmer quicker in 4K mode certainly. http://www.scribd.com/doc/207332069/Panasonic-MN34230-PL-m43-CMOS-Sensor-GH4-EM1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeys Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I, for one, am curious why the GX7, for instance, cannot handle RAW bursts larger than 1080 that last a handful of seconds. Why exactly couldn't it shoot 10 seconds of 4592x3448 with a firmware hack or update? For that matter, why couldn't the EM1? I mean, that's sort of a version of 4K. A cheap Nikon can burst hi-res raw, but flagship models from the major camera brands can't? Seems weirdly unreasonable, even if it's somehow the reality of the sensor capabilities. It's the way sensor readout works. The Nikon 1 Aptina sensors are optimised for speed, so suffer in other areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantsin Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 A cheap Nikon can burst hi-res raw, but flagship models from the major camera brands can't? Seems weirdly unreasonable, even if it's somehow the reality of the sensor capabilities. The difference is that the Nikon has a smaller sensor (1" - half of the surface of a Micro Four Thirds Sensor, a fourth of the surface of an APS-C sensor, and an eighth of the surface of a full frame sensor) that needs less cooling. And that the whole Nikon 1 camera line has been designed around high computational speed (for better point and shoot, at the expense of manual operation). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzynormal Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I don't know, seems like a M43 sensor in a bigger body should be able to tolerate a short burst of hi-res raw, but maybe not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Williams Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 After reading this, I really hope this rumor is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inazuma Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 People are spreading rumors about 4k video and high fps shooting when Olympus doesnt even have a decent readout for video yet. Why even entertain these rumors? The Nikon camera with 4k, 120fps 1080p, switchable OLED was ridiculous enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 The Nikon camera with 4k, 120fps 1080p, switchable OLED was ridiculous enough. That's not a rumor, that was just a comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Barkan Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 One thing I'm not reading anywhere, that probably makes it impossible to handle 4K, is that it doesn't support UHS-3 speed SD Cards. Or does it? If the conditions were right though, I don't render the impossibility of a 4K firmware update. Sony has done it. From a business POV, it would be interesting to keep an older model alive by introducing a "in vogue" feature that would possible attract many customers that wasn't even considering it to begin with. Take me for example, I'm going to invest in a Gh4 later this month. But if, let's say, Fujifilm decided to give the X-T1 a 4K update, I'd buy it instead... in a heartbeat. Wouldn't you? duffman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raymond Poulet Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Andrew we are waiting for the Sony a7s part 2? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted August 19, 2014 Author Administrators Share Posted August 19, 2014 Andrew we are waiting for the Sony a7s part 2? Thanks It's coming. Please stay on topic, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted August 19, 2014 Author Administrators Share Posted August 19, 2014 Interesting about the 240fps high speed mode stuff... I missed that. I still think the firmware update won't happen. But it's a strange situation indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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