yannis.zach Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Juan Le, I don't disagree with your opinion, which is very logical, and very well stated. But it is my personal opinion-experience (please permit me that, after being active in the market for 31-32 years now), that in similar cases of such a massive order, the market works like that: if for a group of 5-10 people I will offer a 10%, then for 18-20 people I will offer more than this. Even something small, to show to them how much I appreciate doing business with them. As I explained already, it is not a matter of €20 (for most of us), it is a matter of respect and appreciation to that large group of people who, in my first steps as business and as an inventor, they will support me that much. This is it for me, so simple, logical, fair. If a similar large group will come to me and tell me that they want my product, for such a massive sale, me, personally, I will work like this: 10% & free shipping. Which is better to me as a business than to give 15% discount. I asked for a total of €500 net price for each unit & that's all. This is not negativity, as you said, but how the real market works. Everywhere on planet earth. For other planets I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan Le Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Well I think the negativity stems from your dissatisfaction that contradicts everyone else's thought on the product and the price; some people would even gladly pay more for it, that is how fair the price seem to be for many. This product fill a niche, but it's not that obscure of a niche. The anamorphic community is a large one, this one at EOSHD is a significant part of that community, but it's not the only one. I don't think the anamorphic shop need to "cater" to us anymore than what they've already done, delivering a solid product for a reasonable price in relative to what's out there. And as per business and business practice, what you've said is still very subjective. It's great that you think about your customers and would offer them a dynamic offer if you were them, but this isn't your product and you should respect that boundary. How would you feel if someone is telling you how to run your own business? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy lee Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 can you all take a time out and not in fight please ! if you dont want one, leave the guys on this thread who do want one to sort out their deal. just remember in 6 months time these might be worth half the price you are paying now and no one has tried one on this forum yet. Cosimo murgolo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosimo murgolo Posted November 24, 2014 Author Share Posted November 24, 2014 just remember in 6 months time these might be worth half the price you are paying now and no one has tried one on this forum yet. I think all the double focus anamorphics that work with FM will be more expensive. FM will keep his price. Just my opinion Andy and by the way the olympus 100mm you suggested is working great. Thanks andy lee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liamlumiere Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Which of those anamorphic lenses mentioned in the initial photo are 1.5x? 2x is just a little wide for I need it for. Also, anyone know when these FMs will start shipping? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JohnVid Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 If you made something for 300, what do you think is a reasonable mark up, does it depend on what it is, how rare, how useful, if you where only adding 30% 18% discount would be a big hit, if it was 200 - 300% it becomes a little easier to discount, but the order numbers would need to be larger also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilmBrute Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 May I suggest everyone reads some books on Austrian economic theory before they post their personal views on FM's pricing theories ITT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liszon Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Um, what's with the Austrians? I think the maker of this lens is a Lithuanian bloke, based in London. Or that's just a name for that theory isn't it? Kristoferman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnVid Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Can't remember the last time I bought something from Austria what do they sell? Perhaps agroup purchase on a few crates of beer would be good:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liamlumiere Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 a3737cd02a686ebf0a616297f783d546 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnVid Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 In Comuni Cado...maybe soon it will be In Comuni Car Go and then the Comuniti would In Consol Able, have a happy christmas guys :) Sorry couldnt resist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosimo murgolo Posted November 26, 2014 Author Share Posted November 26, 2014 Hi, thanks for the link. One problem though, I closed my FB account so can't communicate with the guy who makes these. His website also isn't up and running so no info at all about when these will ship... there's also no info on which lenses in that photo for FM that are 1.5x. Shipping date will be announced here so no problem for that. once their website is open you can check and ask all the infos. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilmBrute Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Um, what's with the Austrians? I think the maker of this lens is a Lithuanian bloke, based in London. Or that's just a name for that theory isn't it? lol, I don't think Austria has anything to do with these lenses. :P It's a school of economic thought. So you have Keynesians who believe they can artificially fix inefficiencies in the market, and then you have "Austrians", who believe that in a free market, eventually stuff becomes efficient on its own. So a person from an Austrian school of thought would say " go ahead, price this lens at whatever price you want. $2,000 for all I care. Eventually the price will gravitate towards a proper price dictated by the market". richg101 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 There are also Astrologists who believe the prices are written in the stars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnVid Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 The price cant always gravitate to what the people want if you hav to rely on outside suppliers to machine your parts, shipping costs for said parts assembly etc. it's difficult to get right, Red Scarlet's price point was 3k...it never happened, but others are now making decent alternatives for under 3k but how long do you have to wait it out. I waited 3yrs for that and a few years have passed since, but hey finally some options are available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richg101 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 with niche items it takes a certain person to go ahead and actually develop and manufacture such things. There are a million ideas men, only 100 of them have the balls to put money into those ideas rather than sitting in an office with a manager dictating their success., and only 10 of those 100 have the ability to put everything in motion and actually deliver such items. We're a limited market and should be thankful someone is going through with this! Most people spend their money on new mobile phones and eating out / drinking themselves to death in order to forget their boring lives. If these things weren't being made, we'd be doing the same as the masses. dahlfors and premini 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosimo murgolo Posted November 27, 2014 Author Share Posted November 27, 2014 No more struggling with double focus system, the single Focus module is now for sale!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yannis.zach Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Only 6 months warranty?? For a brand new item?? What they think they sell? Chewing gums? By the law the minimum must be 1-2 years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 They didnt include the rails like they said they would! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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