Introducing the new Sony RX100 - large sensor compact with 1080/60p

[Andrew Reid]

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Regular followers will know I’ve been a big fan of the Sony HX9v ([url="https://vimeo.com/25406665"]shooting this piece on it last year in Berlin[/url]), a compact camera and the first to do 1080/60p. The video mode of this camera (and the G lens) were superb even though it had a small chip and lacked manual control. Resolution and detail was great and the stabiliser was out of this world.

The updated HX20v is a bit of a disappointment, it seems like a very small incremental update. But Sony have just put that right big time with the RX100, their large sensor flagship compact, building on the highly regarded large sensor R1 of years ago but in a much smaller body.

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[richg101]

I think I might buy one of these.  or wait for the sony fixed lens apsc camera shortly. 

[hoodlum]

[quote author=richg101 link=topic=812.msg5824#msg5824 date=1338825893]
I think I might buy one of these.  or wait for the sony fixed lens apsc camera shortly.
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I think this was the "APSC Fixed lens" rumor.  ;)

[kirk]

I use my trusty R1 for all stills work. The sublime quality lens coupled with a wonderful and reliable color rendition makes it the perfect tool for me as a landscape artist painter, both as a high end sketchpad and for painting reproduction purposes. I have often wished the R1 had video capabilities... if this new Sony can produce similar quality in stills AND video it will be on my wish list for sure. Pity the didn't keep the 24 mm wideangle though...

[hoodlum]

I am very excited about the camera.  Almost the same size as my Canon S90 and can replace my HX9V as well.  This would be great for a pocketable travel camera.

The 20mp doesn't worry me as it has been shown that a 20mp sensor image scaled down to 10mp would have the same noise as a 10mp sensor using the same sensor technology.  The only negative is slower processing and larger files for RAW.  But you do get some more cropping ability in good light.

I also noticed that 16:9 can use more of the sensor width (multi-aspect).  I wonder how close this is to 3x3 pixel binning for 1080p video.

[mike_tee_vee]

Too bad the screen doesn't flip up like the OM-D and NEX 7. 

If the IQ is amazing, this may sway me from an OM-D.  I can't wait for Andrew's footage of the OM-D and 5D mk3 without the AA filter!

[Andrew Reid]

[quote author=hoodlum link=topic=812.msg5826#msg5826 date=1338826526]
[quote author=richg101 link=topic=812.msg5824#msg5824 date=1338825893]
I think I might buy one of these.  or wait for the sony fixed lens apsc camera shortly.
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I think this was the "APSC Fixed lens" rumor.  ;)
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I think so too. APS-C doesn't make sense for a compact because the lens would be massive, especially a zoom with a wide end of F1.8.

I'm amazed how close Sony have kept this thing to HX9 in size.

G1X was nonsense... Too bulky for a compact. Too shit for a DSLR replacement.

[Andrew Reid]

[quote author=mike_tee_vee link=topic=812.msg5830#msg5830 date=1338829930]
Too bad the screen doesn't flip up like the OM-D and NEX 7. 

If the IQ is amazing, this may sway me from an OM-D.  I can't wait for Andrew's footage of the OM-D and 5D mk3 without the AA filter!
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Coming soon!!

[emgesp]

20MP P&S is beyond overkill. I guarantee that 90% of the stills taken with this camera will not be printed. 12 MP's would have been a more practical choice.

[Andrew Reid]

[quote author=emgesp link=topic=812.msg5838#msg5838 date=1338847593]
20MP P&S is beyond overkill. I guarantee that 90% of the stills taken with this camera will not be printed. 12 MP's would have been a more practical choice.
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They said 36MP was overkill for the D800. It wasn't.

[emgesp]

[quote author=Andrew Reid link=topic=812.msg5839#msg5839 date=1338847948]
[quote author=emgesp link=topic=812.msg5838#msg5838 date=1338847593]
20MP P&S is beyond overkill. I guarantee that 90% of the stills taken with this camera will not be printed. 12 MP's would have been a more practical choice.
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They said 36MP was overkill for the D800. It wasn't.
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The low-light performance says otherwise. Great camera would have been greater with much less MP's.

[marike6]

[quote author=emgesp link=topic=812.msg5840#msg5840 date=1338848228]
[quote author=Andrew Reid link=topic=812.msg5839#msg5839 date=1338847948]
[quote author=emgesp link=topic=812.msg5838#msg5838 date=1338847593]
20MP P&S is beyond overkill. I guarantee that 90% of the stills taken with this camera will not be printed. 12 MP's would have been a more practical choice.
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They said 36MP was overkill for the D800. It wasn't.
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The low-light performance says otherwise. Great camera would have been greater with much less MP's.
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Is that so?  Here's what DxOMark testing said about that:

D800

2835 ISO score
14.4 EVs DR score
25.3 bits Color Depth score

D700

2303 ISO score
12.2 EVs DR score
23.5 bits Color Depth score

D3s

3253 ISO score
12 EVs DR score
23.5 bits Color Depth score

D4 

2965 ISO score
13.1 EVs
24.7 bits Color Depth score

5D Mk II

1815 ISO score
11.9 EVs DR score
23.7 Color Depth

5D Mk III

2239 ISO Score
11.7 EVs DR
24 bits color depth
 

Notice that only the D3s and D4 do better than the 36mp D800 at high ISO, and only slightly.

[emgesp]

[quote author=marike6 link=topic=812.msg5845#msg5845 date=1338851642]
[quote author=emgesp link=topic=812.msg5840#msg5840 date=1338848228]
[quote author=Andrew Reid link=topic=812.msg5839#msg5839 date=1338847948]
[quote author=emgesp link=topic=812.msg5838#msg5838 date=1338847593]
20MP P&S is beyond overkill. I guarantee that 90% of the stills taken with this camera will not be printed. 12 MP's would have been a more practical choice.
[/quote]

They said 36MP was overkill for the D800. It wasn't.
[/quote]

The low-light performance says otherwise. Great camera would have been greater with much less MP's.
[/quote]

Is that so?  Here's what DxOMark testing said about that:

D800

2835 ISO score
14.4 EVs DR score
25.3 bits Color Depth score

D700

2303 ISO score
12.2 EVs DR score
23.5 bits Color Depth score

D3s

3253 ISO score
12 EVs DR score
23.5 bits Color Depth score

D4 

2965 ISO score
13.1 EVs
24.7 bits Color Depth score

5D Mk II

1815 ISO score
11.9 EVs DR score
23.7 Color Depth

5D Mk III

2239 ISO Score
11.7 EVs DR
24 bits color depth
 

Notice that only the D3s and D4 do better than the 36mp D800 at high ISO, and only slightly.
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I'm talking about video. The Nikon D800 is a lot noisier than the 5D mark lll. 

[Maxine]

Someone please tell Sony to stop making 60p video mode.Only soccer moms & dads will want this.And that is their market methinks. Where's 30/24P? It's just really annoying...

[christianhubbard]

well, for video, you should be lighting your shots properly and deliberately to best suit your camera; so it's really a non-issue.

[emgesp]

[quote author=christianhubbard link=topic=812.msg5849#msg5849 date=1338869706]
well, for video, you should be lighting your shots properly and deliberately to best suit your camera; so it's really a non-issue.
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Not all of us want to bring expensive lighting gear for every shoot. I like to keep a low-profile when I'm shooting in certain places like clubs, or bars.

[abortabort]

[quote author=Maxine link=topic=812.msg5848#msg5848 date=1338869540]
Someone please tell Sony to stop making 60p video mode.Only soccer moms & dads will want this.And that is their market methinks. Where's 30/24P? It's just really annoying...
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Erm well if it is like ANY of the other Sony's that do 60p it also does 24p and 30p. Or for PAL users 25p and 50p. The 60p mode is useful sometimes, but it isn't the ONLY mode.

I hope this has clean HDMI out like the HX9v! Being that it is a Cybershot and not a NEX/Alpha, I am hopeful it will!

[TC]

Apart from manual controls, the key question will be whether it has a record length limit and if so, will it be 12 minutes or 29?

[MichalGajdos]

[quote author=Maxine link=topic=812.msg5848#msg5848 date=1338869540]
Someone please tell Sony to stop making 60p video mode.Only soccer moms & dads will want this.And that is their market methinks. Where's 30/24P? It's just really annoying...
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I as a professional skier thank to Gods that someone like Sony has the guts to do fullHD60p not just simple 24p , we wan't at least a small slow motion and not just in HD but fullHD. 60p is enough for twixtor and it looks amaxing, you can still get your 24p love but with addition of slow motion. Even Hobbit is filmed at 48p please stop complaining about new things and simply get used to them. It's just the matter of time when the higher framerates will become a common thing. 24p is just not enough for action shots.

I am very amazed how far Sony is taking their chances. I admire them for being so innovative. Like apple or Teslamotors with electric cars. Even if it's more expensive (which sony definitely IS NOT) it's worth your money.

[mike_tee_vee]

I know camcorders don't get much love, but I would love to see a reasonably priced 1" sensor camcorder with "only" 1920x1080 pixels.  The Canon HF G10 has this resolution with a 1/3" sensor, it would be nice to see what can be achieved with a full 1" sensor.