D Verco Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 19 hours ago, MrSMW said: Yes. Always. Mostly flipping between the two constantly but at times, need to do both at the same time which means video unit on sticks plus shooting stills with a second unit, or shooting 8k video with just one unit and pulling stills. That's mental. I've never heard of anyone doing that before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 2 hours ago, D Verco said: That's mental. I've never heard of anyone doing that before. Not many and still not come across anyone who does it to the extent that I do which is no different to having a photographer and a videographer, but others must exist…? It took 6 years of trial and error as in kit and execution and since that time, it’s been more about refining the process (which will be an ever ongoing thing) than having to work out how to do it. It’s not that complicated but like juggling, takes a lot of practice to get 7 or 8 balls up in the air and keeping them up in the air, but like anything; juggling, flying a helicopter or simply just being able to do something well, it’s about will, determination and practice. A lot of practice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Super Members BTM_Pix Posted June 7, 2023 Super Members Share Posted June 7, 2023 Live update from the counter of the shop as I’m making the purchase. It has very much NOT gone as expected. More news to follow Emanuel, Juank, ntblowz and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Man, I am glad for you! This community deserves it too : ) Let's put those overheating tests on track! I can't wait to see if that thing will help coupled to external powered battery? https://www.zitay.net/ZITAY-CS-305-CFexpress-Type-B-to-SSD-Convertor-Card-Reader-Adapter-XQD-CFE-CFX-Replacer-Substitute-Nikon-Z6-Z7-D5-D6-D850-D500-PANASONIC-DC-S1-S1R-Canon-EOS-1DX-MarkIII-R5-C500-MarkII-p779221.html shooter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 8 hours ago, BTM_Pix said: It has very much NOT gone as expected. Does NOT = SONY ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted June 8, 2023 Super Members Share Posted June 8, 2023 14 hours ago, MrSMW said: Does NOT = SONY ? NOT = Neither Nikon nor Sony I made the decision to go with the S5ii for very dull and practical reasons that I’ll elaborate on in a new thread. kye and j_one 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 1 hour ago, BTM_Pix said: I made the decision to go with the S5ii because it is the best bang for your buck hybrid camera out there right now, that I’ll elaborate on in a new thread I agree with this sentiment entirely 😉 ntblowz, kye and BTM_Pix 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 I don't doubt it may happen as the best bang for the buck nowadays but I still want that 8K 60p power as my most perfect dream of hybrid camera today, though... LOL ;- ) shooter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 29 minutes ago, Emanuel said: I don't doubt it may happen as the best bang for the buck nowadays but I still want that 8K 60p power as my most perfect dream of hybrid camera today, though... LOL ;- ) Even just thinking about 8K 60p makes my hard drives hurt! Emanuel and Juank 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 Good one! ;- ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Emanuel said: I don't doubt it may happen as the best bang for the buck nowadays but I still want that 8K 60p power as my most perfect dream of hybrid camera today, though... LOL ;- ) For sure. If I had the necessary magic beans, I would flip to a Z9 + Z8 combo without hesitation because for my needs, it’s the only 2 body / 3 lens combo currently available that ticks all my boxes. I think though that by this time next year, L Mount will have a viable alternative. Until then, I’ll soldier on with my 3 body / 4 lens set up… 1 hour ago, kye said: Even just thinking about 8K 60p makes my hard drives hurt! Yep, but storage is cheap and I would personally only use 8k at specific times, ie, when I wanted/needed stills and video out of a single body at the same time, which is something I would need with a 2 body set up. One day we will look back at pathetic 8k and laugh about how inferior it is to 64k with 30 stops of DR 🫣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 1 hour ago, MrSMW said: One day we will look back at pathetic 8k and laugh about how inferior it is to 64k with 30 stops of DR 🫣 We'll definitely look back at todays cameras as inferior, but the number of pixels will be one of the last things that we'll be looking at. Isn't it funny how when people talk about resolution they say more is better, but when they talk about images they put the Alexa at the top? Juank, FHDcrew and mercer 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ND64 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 22 hours ago, kye said: Isn't it funny how when people talk about resolution they say more is better, but when they talk about images they put the Alexa at the top? It won't be fun when VisionPro and its cheaper alternatives go mainstream and they get 4k display per eye and your image is 2.7k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 16 hours ago, Eric Calabros said: It won't be fun when VisionPro and its cheaper alternatives go mainstream and they get 4k display per eye and your image is 2.7k. VR is an obvious exception to the resolution question, and so is VFX. What never gets acknowledged though, is that these are specialist applications, like super-slow-motion is a specialist application which has specialist cameras that are rented purely for this purpose. I mean, take all the arguments on these forums - who here is using their DSLR/MILC cameras to shoot VR or VFX? Zero people that I'm aware of. From this perspective the VR/VFX argument is just a theoretical red-herring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomTheDP Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Basically what @kye If the industry becomes mostly VR it will be a different ballgame. God forbid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 3 hours ago, TomTheDP said: Basically what @kye If the industry becomes mostly VR it will be a different ballgame. God forbid. I think that we're a very long way away from people only having a VR display and not having a small physical display like a phone. Think about the progression of tech and how people have used it.. Over the last few decades people got access to cheaper and smaller video equipment with more and more resolution, and also to cheaper TVs that also got larger and higher resolution (and sound systems got better too), but despite this people still watch a considerable amount of low-resolution content on a 4-6" screen. This shows that people value content and convenience rather than immersion. The other factor that I think is critical is that photography / videography is highly selective. The vast majority of shooting takes place in an environment designed for some parts to be visible in the footage (and are made to look nice) and other parts are not (and often look ugly as hell). The BTS of a commercial production shows this easily and the BTS of most bedroom vloggers would likely show that all their mess was just piled up out of frame! Much/most/all(?) of the art of cinematography is choosing which things appear in the frame and which things don't - if every shot can see in every direction then it's a whole new ballgame. Casey Neistat played with this in a VR video he did some years ago, and I recall him talking about how they designed it so that the viewer would be guided to look in the right directions at the right times, rather than looking away from the action and not getting the intended effect. The idea that "where to look" would pass from the people making the content to the people consuming the content is something we haven't ever had in the entirety of the visual arts (starting from cave paintings, through oil paintings, to photography, then moving images). Furthermore, even if the first part happens and we all have a VR phone rather than a display that we hold in our hand, the VR goggles can display a virtual screen hovering in place just as easily as VR content, so VR goggles will enable VR content but won't mandate it. For these reasons, I don't think the industry will be moving to VR-only any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted June 12, 2023 Super Members Share Posted June 12, 2023 When it comes to the specific case of the Z8/Z9, the answer to the question of “who the hell needs all that resolution?”, the answer, quite simply, is the target market for them do. These are cameras intended for photojournalists/sports photographers/wildlife photographers. In the case of the latter two in particular, with f2.8 long lenses costing £20-30 per millimetre of focal length, the variable 2x digital zoom functionality pays for the camera itself. If you are shooting a match then from your fixed position at one end of the field you will generally not have enough reach with a 400mm. Depending on the stadium you might actually be so far behind the goal line that even 600mm will struggle. As the distance is variable you end up having to bring 1.4x, 1.7x and 2x TCs whereas with the Z8/Z9 you can dial it in and not have to worry about losing stops of light, IQ and AF performance. Cropping using the digital zoom on these much higher resolution Z8/Z9 sensors, even at 2x is still giving you the D5 resolution and giving you impossible lenses such as 70-400mm f2.8 and 400-800mm f2.8 for free. Just that one aspect - which is standard operating procedure for the intended market rather than a niche outlier- is absolutely massive and justifies the bump in resolution. When it comes to the video side - again for its intended market - the 8K video is also a big deal in terms of practical rather than spec wanking purposes. Not only does it give sufficient resolution to enable the reframing to cut, say, a two person interview into a convincing multi-cam look without it falling apart (see the MEVO camera for almost getting this right) but it also addresses the issue of repurposing content for (whisper it quietly) vertical video at good resolution. We may not like vertical video but it is now a fact of life for mobile journalists having to provide vertical versions and regular versions of content for online consumption and these two cameras are ideal for it. It is also a growing fact of life for event filmers too and with the AI “revolution” seemingly coming for an awful lot of roles in the next few years, covering live events might be the last bastion for many people wanting to stay in the game. I say all this of course as someone who ended up not buying either of them ! However, If I was still doing the work I used to then I wouldn’t have blinked as it is absolutely fantastic for that role as it is intended to be, for the reasons above and more. But I don’t, so I didn’t. A rare case of objectivity that is completely out of character and which I am blaming on the jet lag. kye, Emanuel and Juank 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Other than the vertical video (I've learnt we should never mention the devil's name : D) everything else is perfect in your post, as usual BTW, well, you look like you're also updated on the most nonsense trend mobile world is contributing for the humankind evolution. Towards the only eye people have in their back. Without mention animals too. But they are safe because they have no idea what a smartphone is, humans definitely see it with only one eye sorta belly button. Hence no camera replacement there. 16mm or 8mm footage will always look better than 8K, count on it -- and I can't wait to put my hands on that thing (Z8). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted June 12, 2023 Super Members Share Posted June 12, 2023 Vertical video in this instance is delivery rather than capture and is a fact of life now even for national broadcasters pushing content through their social media feeds. I’ve just walked past three grown men here dancing a routine for TiKTok (presumably) in front of a smartphone on a tripod. This may not be the camera for them. Yet. Although such is the way of the race to the bottom with the fees for editorial images they it’s entirely possible that they will be making more money with that content than the intended users of the Z8/Z9 will be. I’m pretty sure wedding/event videographers are seeing increased demand (quite literally) from clients for vertical format delivery at least in part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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