Panasonic G9 mk2

[kye]

4 hours ago, D4cl00 said:

The footage felt very…organic. Something I haven’t seen in their later products. Not sure what it is.

Agree 100%, about the look and I'm not the only one.

In terms of why that look seems to have disappeared, I have a theory.....  https://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/52175-are-sony-sensors-ruining-video-with-the-sony-look/

 

Every camera we can name that doesn't have a Sony sensor is known to look incredible.  Just sayin'

[IronFilm]

17 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

We are going to Tokyo at the end of next week and I've upped my loan offer to my Sigma Fp or Leica T but she is still not interested.

Got to up your offer even further! Let your daughter borrow a Fujifilm GFX100 

 

7 hours ago, MrSMW said:

But then surely that eats the G9ii’s lunch as to most people’s eyes, it will be ‘the same camera’ but just with a slightly different body.

I’m not really sure what Panasonic is thinking here…

The GH line is supposed to be the more video one and the G9 the more photo one, but really, what difference is there?

Well, the GH7 will probably be at a higher price? 

And will likely have even more video features:

1) mini XLR??

2) mini SDI?? 

3) built in fan? 

4) 4K 240fps??? 

5) multi aspect sensor?? 

6) six channel audio recording?? 

 

7 hours ago, MrSMW said:

The line’s have got blurred I think and maybe it’s because everyone is trying to be ‘hybrid’ now but the market for all types of cameras is shrinking?

True. Better to have a "do it all camera" than a specialist stills vs video mirrorless. 

7 hours ago, MrSMW said:

Meanwhile, everyone under the sun is bringing out their own set of compact cine lenses.

Wish Panasonic would 

[BTM_Pix]

2 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

Got to up your offer even further! Let your daughter borrow a Fujifilm GFX100 

I'd have to buy one first to enable her to reject that offer.

Although I'd be in the right place as MapCamera do now have a fair few used ones in stock for around £2600 following what I'm guessing are a slew of trade ins for the new version !

[MrSMW]

40 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

Well, the GH7 will probably be at a higher price? 

Well it would have to be is what I mean and with more features or folks will WTF it's existence even more than they will regardless.

42 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

Wish Panasonic would 

I've been eying up the new Cookes...and came to the conclusion, I'd need to be Coked up to do that properly, but the Dulens Micro Primes look the business and the entire set of those costs less than one new Cookie...

[IronFilm]

1 hour ago, MrSMW said:

I've been eying up the new Cookes...and came to the conclusion, I'd need to be Coked up to do that properly

Dealing in coke is the way to go to able to afford cooke 

 

[kye]

I'm confused....   WTF was everyone complaining about?

 

 

[BTM_Pix]

8 hours ago, kye said:

I'm confused....   WTF was everyone complaining about?

I think the G9 flew under a lot of people's radar on the video side as they didn't really care about it because it was all about the GH5 at that time.

The GH5 though did get the same "not keen on the direction of travel for MFT size wise" from many people but it got away with it because of the video specs so everyone was prepared to accept it.

The issue now though is not necessarily just that the G9Mkii has the video specs that have aroused interest so its under the microscope (or not actually considering the size of it) a lot more but that what has changed from 2017 when the original G9 was launched.

At that time, there was no FF camera from Panasonic.

Or indeed an APS-C one.

So if you wanted to get their flagship camera then it was what it was and you had no choice.

In that respect, the increased size was actually something that helped them as in "it is arguably the best MFT camera around, therefore its obvious that it is this big" etc.

However, two years later, they did have a FF camera and that was even bigger which actually preserved that "tope of the range must be bigger" conceit for both cameras and still made it appear the MFT compact system ethos was in play when looking at them in comparison.

That was all well and good until the S5 came along because then the whole compact system alternative fell apart because it was actually bigger than the full frame camera.

With the Mark2 versions of the G9 and S5, they are now identical of course so, for me, the fact that the G9Mk2 is fractionally smaller than the G9 is moot because as soon as the S5 came out then the G9 was too big anyway.

In my view, it got away with it because there was no FF camera from Panasonic at the time and then when one did show up two years later, it actually helped the perception of the G9 because it was also somewhat on the chunky side.

As demonstrated by the S5/S5ii.

Irrespective of the existence of their full frame cameras, I'd still say the G9 (as I said even from the GH3 onwards) was pulling MFT into the wrong direction for me compared to what they had been doing even in DSLR shapes.

(NB before the "ah but the top panel display" comments start its worth remembering that the G9MK2 doesn't have one now either)

An optimist would say that at least they've marginally cut the size of the G9MK2 from the MK1 and that is a sign of progress back towards the compact system ethos but its the things that have happened around it during those six years that effectively make it an increase in real terms.

So, I'll say it again that this is a fine camera but ultimately the problem with it is that the S5ii exists.

Panasonic really finding their way with their FF cameras has coincided almost in lock step with them losing their way with MFT cameras.

 

[kye]

Right, now I get it.

Throughout this thread I thought that people were saying "Look how huge it is.....   by giving it the body of the S5 they made it huge" when actually they were saying "Look at how the mk2 is the same size as the mk1 - that's outrageous - every camera update should be drastically smaller!"

TBH, if we're going to judge everyone that didn't give us what they could have given us, we'd all better be saving up for an Alexa, because the people who worked on every other camera released in the history of the world are going in front of a firing squad tomorrow at dawn.

[sanveer]

I know the Single Biggest thing that would make the G9ii sell in the truckloads.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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A Netflix Certification 😎

[homestar_kevin]

I have and use the g9mki a decent amount and don't mind the body size as the lenses are still all so small, especially compared to their FF equivalents.

The g9, like most m43 cameras, really got attractive after a few firmware updates and price drops. It's so nice. I still have and love some smaller m43 cameras (gx85, bmpc OG, Z Cam E1) but when I'm doing a video gig I typically will use the g9. It's been wonderful to own and I bought it for $1000 USD new a few years ago. 

I'm currently still pretty tempted by the gh6 at $1300, but will probably hold off for a bit to see what they do. 

I love what m43s offers and personally don't mind if the top of the line bodies are a a bit chunky. The platform is still wonderful with the lenses they already have out. 

I do agree that I hope we see some more compact bodies with the new sensor and now PDAF soon though, but I don't mind the g9ii using the s5ii body.

[BTM_Pix]

58 minutes ago, kye said:

Throughout this thread I thought that people were saying "Look how huge it is.....   by giving it the body of the S5 they made it huge" when actually they were saying "Look at how the mk2 is the same size as the mk1 - that's outrageous - every camera update should be drastically smaller!"

For me, at least, its not to do with the relative differences between the G9 and G9MK2, it is the difference in what has happened in the six years between their launches.

I'm not talking about the difference between a Panasonic camera and then a Sony camera coming along a few years later which made it look a bit too big here.

I'm talking about Panasonic themselves bringing out a camera which made it look a bit too big.

Before the S5, the G9 was still too big by the way but after the S5 ?

Cameras do not have to be so small that you can shove them up an earwig's arsehole, they just have to make some sort of sense.

It has to have something that differentiates it, to me at least.

The Sigma Fp makes sense on being smaller than an S5ii whilst still having a FF sensor, it makes sense by being modular and most of all it makes sense by shooting RAW.

The S5ii makes sense over the Fp on having IBIS, DPAF and internal 10bit recording.

So I can see the sense in both in terms of them co-existing and then choosing to take the compromises of either depending on the situation or needs.

Exactly like how MFT made sense against APS-C (and to some extent FF) DSLRs when it was a compact system for many years before the goalposts got moved.

If the next Fp had IBIS in it but grew a little bit to accommodate it then I'd be fine with that because it would make sense.

If they did a version at the same time that was APS-C let alone MFT but in the same case though, I think I'd be stroking my chin at that one.

So, when it comes to the G9MK2......can you make it make sense for me?

58 minutes ago, kye said:

TBH, if we're going to judge everyone that didn't give us what they could have given us, we'd all better be saving up for an Alexa, because the people who worked on every other camera released in the history of the world are going in front of a firing squad tomorrow at dawn.

If you are going down that path then ARRI themselves should equally be culpable for slow playing some of their own releases, no ?

Or for charging £1K for a basic matte box.

I'm struggling to feel that that is them giving us all that they could've given us.

Panasonic, like every other company in this world, can do whatever the hell they like, so the only judgement from me is on the merits of the camera.  

If anything, I'm judging them in a positive light for the S5ii.

 

[BTM_Pix]

Anyway, I've pre-ordered one.

[MrSMW]

2 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

Anyway, I've pre-ordered one.

What, the Arri matte box?

[BTM_Pix]

1 minute ago, MrSMW said:

What, the Arri matte box?

The G9MK2 with the ARRI matte box.

If I'm going to have an oversized small camera then I might as well keep the additional gear in equal proportion.

[MrSMW]

And, "Hey Siri, do earwig's have arseholes?"

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Apparently they do.

The knowledge that is gained from this place either directly or indirectly...

[BTM_Pix]

17 minutes ago, MrSMW said:

And, "Hey Siri, do earwig's have arseholes?"

Apparently they do.

The knowledge that is gained from this place either directly or indirectly...

The size of the arsehole when said earwig has been created by Panasonic's MFT design team.

[kye]

8 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

For me, at least, its not to do with the relative differences between the G9 and G9MK2, it is the difference in what has happened in the six years between their launches.

I hear you, being one of the most "sizeist" users here, but I just don't see the strength of the reaction being proportional.

We could make a list of all the things wrong with the G9ii release, or the release of any other model from Panasonic, and we could easily find parallel examples from other manufacturers of things they do that are just as egregious, but when Sony releases yet another camera that overheats, or GoPro releases another doppelgänger camera with microscopic spec improvements, or whoever the hell else waits years and then releases an uninspiring black box, we don't then spontaneously question the future of the brand or the entire format.

If someone were to post in every Sony camera thread that FF was dead and Sony was going to exit the camera market because of the latest release then they'd be considered unhinged, but somehow with MFT every camera announcement is turned into a wake..

8 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

Anyway, I've pre-ordered one.

What will you use it for?

[sanveer]

I have to humbly Disagree with the idea that All M43 Cameras must be Tiny or Pocketable. That's Lucrous.

Apple has the distinction of making smartphones that make claims that they can shoot Arri Video Quality or Prosumer or Professional Photo Quality, at a fraction of the price, but there isn't really much truth to that. Regardless of what Hollywood director, whose film has been sponsored by Apple, tells that to you.

 

While almost everyone ALSO wants a GM5 sized Panasonic (especially since Fuji and Ricoh make some superb point and shoot cameras), all Panasonic need not be tiny. They would have issues with overheating, and other issues and look rather amatuer on a Professional shoot. 

 

I am comparing the GM5 to the Netflix Approved Sony FX3, the A7Siii, and the Fuji X100v.

 

Panasonic needs the GH, the G and the GM lineups (hopefully something with the GX85's IBIS, but much smaller, probably with 10 minutes recording times).

 

[MrSMW]

I want a red GM5 now… 🫶

[Beritar]

8 hours ago, sanveer said:

I have to humbly Disagree with the idea that All M43 Cameras must be Tiny or Pocketable. That's Lucrous.

Apple has the distinction of making smartphones that make claims that they can shoot Arri Video Quality or Prosumer or Professional Photo Quality, at a fraction of the price, but there isn't really much truth to that. Regardless of what Hollywood director, whose film has been sponsored by Apple, tells that to you.

 

While almost everyone ALSO wants a GM5 sized Panasonic (especially since Fuji and Ricoh make some superb point and shoot cameras), all Panasonic need not be tiny. They would have issues with overheating, and other issues and look rather amatuer on a Professional shoot. 

 

I am comparing the GM5 to the Netflix Approved Sony FX3, the A7Siii, and the Fuji X100v.

 

Panasonic needs the GH, the G and the GM lineups (hopefully something with the GX85's IBIS, but much smaller, probably with 10 minutes recording times).

 

I agree and I think this idea is nonsense.

I use m43, Panasonic/Sony FF, and yet I preorderer the G9II.
So why the hell I bought this "big" and "expensive" m43 camera ?

There are a few reasons :

- Neither my A7IV or S5II can give me the fantastic stabilization of the G9II with "relatively small" telephoto and super telephoto lenses.

- Neither of these FF cameras have an acceptable rolling shutter or 60fps Open Gate/120fps 4K. Yes, the A7SIII has good rolling shutter and it has 4K 120fps, but there are always trade-off (much more expensive, low MP, no crop mode,worse details in 4K 120fps).

- While they are a lot of really excellent lenses of the FE mount and a few on the L mount, m43 has a lot of jewels as well. 
I can't see me stopping using some of my Panasonic Leica or my Oly Pro lenses. Some are irremplacable like the 100-400mm PL, some are outstanding to the point that even comparable FF lenses are no match, like the two f1.7 Panasonic zooms (contrast and colors are wonderful). 
I also tried to replace my 12-32mm, 12-35mm and 35-100mm with some FF lenses on my S5II and my A7IV, I can't. There are some options for Sony to replace the 12-35mm but they are not compelling for me (weight, price or features associated with the camera).

- This is subjective but I love the colors from the GH6 and I expect the colors from the G9II to be almost the same. I don't like the colors of the S5II as much, even less the colors of the A7IV.

So at the end of the day, there is no perfect camera and system, but they have strengths and weaknesses.
No, we can't get the low light performance of the S5II on the G9II. No, we can't get the FF look at some focal lenghts (like the 50mm GM f1.2) with our m43 cameras and lenses. 
But as pointed out above, m43 gives a lot of advantage as well. And if we should use m43 only with small cameras, we could not get everything this system can offer with the G9II.