Marco Bentz Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 I would take the time to post Some footage and share my experience with the camera.It seems that the module KineAudio will be ready this summer.I can not say more about adjust the XLR from the camera and the ratio of audio recording. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Looks interesting, I will definitely consider one after they slash the price to the $4000 range. But where it stands now, I prefer to trust my $$$ with Sony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Matthews Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 To hell with Ursa mini and Aja. Cfast 2.0 cards are dumb. There are 1TB ssds and I calculated the price for the work flow of Kinemax 6k is $18,000-22,000. Much cheaper than Aja and Ursa mini. I know you see me switching sides constantly... Well I'm researching the cameras. I think the Kinemax is best for the low budget filmmaker unless you can afford a boat. And in fact this is as much as a Mustang GT with a V6 engine. FS7 looks more expensive because of the cards.Yeah, I also figured out that the Kinemax is not much more expensive that URSA Mini 4.7k or AJA Cion. For me, it makes absolutely no sense to spend money on a Cion, which already has an outdated sensor. I played with both the Kinemax and URSA Mini at NAB and they're both lovely cameras, but I can't help but feel that the Kinemax is much more of serious filmmaking camera. It just feels hardcore and the quality of the images coming out of it, in my opinion, are more organic and cinematic than what I've seen in the URSA 4.6k reel on BM's site, or from the Cion. When the Kinemax has internal ProRes (hopefully later this year) that will be a huge plus. I'm undecided though and I need to get confirmation on the audio recording capabilities of the Kinemax. For example, if you can't change the audio levels of the XLR inputs, without needing a separate mixer, that will be a huge deal breaker for me. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Bentz Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Robert, I have asked your questions about the control level XLR from the camera and the bit rate, to the representative of Kinefinity Europe. I'm curious as well I tell you that when I have an answer. Robert Matthews 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Matthews Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I emailed Kinefinity with a few questions and here are the answers for those interested:Q) Is there a way to adjust audio levels when using the XLR audio inputs? I do not remember seeing any specific audio level control on the camera at NAB. Can you adjust the audio levels on each of the channels independently and select which track the sound records to. For example, can you mix two audio sources in camera? A) Yes, there is a menu to turn up or down the gain of audio capturing, and so far tuning gain applies all channels at the same time Q) Was is the approximate dynamic range of the camera when using Sport Mode? Is there a significant drop in quality. A) Sport Mode/HiSpeed mode: Dynamic range remains same, but it brings some moire and aliasing to the images Q) When is the new expected ship date to US customers? A) 2015 July for US customers Q) Will I be able to get the camera serviced (if necessary) a the US distributor when you have one, or would I need to buy the camera from them rather than directly from Kinefinity? A) Yes, your camera will get serviced if we have US distributor. Before that, we will take care of your camera directly Q) Is there an estimated timeline for in-camera ProRes implementation? Are you able to tell me if this will include ProRes 422HQ or 444XQ? A) In this year, for in-camera ProRes. Yes, it will include 422, 444, and 444XQ. It is a hardware update, not firmware. Q) I know that the current EF mount does not support image stabilization. Is there a plan to implement this function? A) IS for EF lens, we don’t have plan in near future. But it may be in the future. Marco Bentz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff CB Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I emailed Kinefinity with a few questions and here are the answers for those interested:Q) Is there a way to adjust audio levels when using the XLR audio inputs? I do not remember seeing any specific audio level control on the camera at NAB. Can you adjust the audio levels on each of the channels independently and select which track the sound records to. For example, can you mix two audio sources in camera? A) Yes, there is a menu to turn up or down the gain of audio capturing, and so far tuning gain applies all channels at the same time Q) Was is the approximate dynamic range of the camera when using Sport Mode? Is there a significant drop in quality. A) Sport Mode/HiSpeed mode: Dynamic range remains same, but it brings some moire and aliasing to the images Q) When is the new expected ship date to US customers? A) 2015 July for US customers Q) Will I be able to get the camera serviced (if necessary) a the US distributor when you have one, or would I need to buy the camera from them rather than directly from Kinefinity? A) Yes, your camera will get serviced if we have US distributor. Before that, we will take care of your camera directly Q) Is there an estimated timeline for in-camera ProRes implementation? Are you able to tell me if this will include ProRes 422HQ or 444XQ? A) In this year, for in-camera ProRes. Yes, it will include 422, 444, and 444XQ. It is a hardware update, not firmware. Q) I know that the current EF mount does not support image stabilization. Is there a plan to implement this function? A) IS for EF lens, we don’t have plan in near future. But it may be in the future. The Sport Mode not dropping DR is great news. Liam and Marco Bentz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Bentz Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 A test done quickly with KinemaxCertain shots are a little too red due to a filter and a bad white balance.The compression format is also a little bastard.The compression does not do justice to the image quality. The next move I'll try better compression.https://vimeo.com/12976005 Liam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvertonesx24 Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 The Sport Mode not dropping DR is great news.The aliasing/moire is pretty bad though- at least on the KineMini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Matthews Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 A test done quickly with KinemaxCertain shots are a little too red due to a filter and a bad white balance.The compression format is also a little bastard.The compression does not do justice to the image quality. The next move I'll try better compression.https://vimeo.com/12976005Thanks for posting Marco. Some lovely shots in there. Looking forward to seeing more! Any chance you could post something that has a more contemporary, brighter, grade, maybe with a standard REC-709 LUT? I've noticed that Kinecolor seems to give a very classical, slightly desaturated look to the image, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I'm interested to see something different. P.s. You have a pet owl !!!!? Liam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 I was thinking the same thing. Marco is a wizard o.o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Bentz Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 hahahaA friend of mine, save an owl that had fallen from its nest. It feels very comfortable with humans. It s true that Kinecolor is very classic, I wanted to keep it quite basic, if ever want to play with some colorization and see what it can give.When I have more time I would suggest another further test. I would put REC-709 LUTs and more contemporary grades. I will do something more substantial.For the moment I am trying to do the editing of my first documentary feature film it s labor intensive, especially when you don t have the budget to hire an editor and you have to do it yourself but I hope to have time to propose a new test soon. Robert Matthews 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Matthews Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 More footage. A Cam is Kinemax. B Cam is a Canon 6d on a gimbal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Despe Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Additionally, at NAB, Kinefinity showed me in Scratch how gradable the footage is. They were able to make a nighttime shot of a train in a station look like daytime, with no visible noise (without pixel peeping) in the lowlights. I was impressed to say the least. Hi all,Just in case you missed it, Kinefinity now bundles SCRATCH with its 4K and 6K cameras. Existing camera owners can also get a huge discount by entering their camera SN# on the order page.They also started posting the SCRATCH tutorials with Chinese subtitles on their Vimeo channel https://vimeo.com/kinefinity http://www.kinefinity.com/news-2015-kine-assimilate-press/?lang=en Liam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Matthews Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Does anyone know if the Kinemax has a LANC port? Wondering if I'll be able to use my 3rd part handgrip which has a start/stop button and connect it to the camera using a LANC cable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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