iconflyer Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Hi, I just bought Andrew's book on anamorphic shooting hoping to find some information on other Kowa anamorphic lens alternatives. Unfortunately I found nothing on the Kowa 16-S on the web or in the book, it seems all Kowa lenses are the same though. Anybody know what the difference is between the Kowa B&H/16-H vs the 16-S? Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuickHitRecord Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 I seem to remember stumbling across a guide that breaks down all of the Kowa Prominar variations sometime back. I can't seem to find it right now though. I don't remember much detail except that the 8Z and 16H are basically the same lens, and have a small-ish form factor that may make them most suitable for anamorphic video. I'll let you know if I can find it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pagz99 Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 I too would love to see a breakdown of the differences between the Kowa Prominar lenses - I've just got a 16-A but most things refer to the 16-D or 16-H, and I wonder if there is any difference between them and the version I have. It seems to flare pretty much the same and it's a 2x but apart from that maybe they are fairly similar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Elkerton Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 I think that the main difference is the size of the rear thread and element. The 16h/8z is the largest and therefore doesn't vignette as easily at wider focal lengths. I am pretty sure the 16A and 16S are smaller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tito Ferradans Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 I have a 16-S right here in front of me, and it's much smaller than the 8Z/16-H or Bell & Howell. I think it equals Sankor 16-C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophet6-0091 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Long time reader, first time poster. I can confirm the Kowa 16-S has a rear lens thread of 43 mm. I too am amazed at relatively how little there is on anamorphic lenses given their popularity, but I did find this wiki that attempts to catalog many different lenses, but you'll notice it's somewhat lacking in details: http://super8wiki.com/index.php/Anamorphic_Lenses HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tito Ferradans Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 The lack of information around the web is the main reason I want THIS - http://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/2683-anamorphic-lens-yclopedia/ - to keep moving forward. hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whosawwho Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 Hello! I' m looking for Kowa 16-H or Kowa 2x anamorphic lens for Bell & Howell. Could you tell me the different points of them? Is Kowa 2x anamorphic lens for Bell & Howell newer model(minor changed model)? Or is the diameter of rear lens bigger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 3 hours ago, Whosawwho said: Hello! I' m looking for Kowa 16-H or Kowa 2x anamorphic lens for Bell & Howell. Could you tell me the different points of them? Is Kowa 2x anamorphic lens for Bell & Howell newer model(minor changed model)? Or is the diameter of rear lens bigger? I can tell you B&H version's rear mount is 54mm thread, 16-H's is 50mm. Coating is different too. So if mount on 52mm filter thread lens, 16-H is possible to mount closer. Whosawwho 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweak Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 8 hours ago, ken said: I can tell you B&H version's rear mount is 54mm thread, 16-H's is 50mm. Coating is different too. So if mount on 52mm filter thread lens, 16-H is possible to mount closer. As Ken says, B&H has 54mm threads, Some 16-H/8Z have 50mm, some have 52 (from my experience). Size of rear element and front element between the two are exactly the same. Coatings can differ, but I've also seen 8Z/16-H with exact same coatings as the B&H. 8Z/16H is easier to adapt in my opinion and the unpainted metal around the back is nicer (from a personal view). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 BTW, which coating you guys like? I owned 16h, Elmoscope-II and B&H. Elmoscope-II and B&H have the same coating, like yellowish, and 16h like blue. In 2 pictures, left is 16H, right is Elmoscope-II. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweak Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 I've had 2 x Elmoscope II, 2 x 8Z and 1 x B&H. One 8Z had Gold flares, one Blue flares. The Blue one flared the easiest of any lens I've owned. Both Elmo Scopes were Gold flares, Both B&H were Gold flares. The Elmo IIs I had seemed to flare a bit easier than the B&H. The one I kept and use the most now is an Elmo II, but I think it's really dependent on production factors as to which is the sharpest/ best. They all can be good. webrunner5 and ken 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 10 hours ago, tweak said: I've had 2 x Elmoscope II, 2 x 8Z and 1 x B&H. One 8Z had Gold flares, one Blue flares. The Blue one flared the easiest of any lens I've owned. Both Elmo Scopes were Gold flares, Both B&H were Gold flares. The Elmo IIs I had seemed to flare a bit easier than the B&H. The one I kept and use the most now is an Elmo II, but I think it's really dependent on production factors as to which is the sharpest/ best. They all can be good. To me, I like Elmo II the most. It is only metric system of all these type lenses. So I can tell distance 10 meter more easily than than 30 ft. Btw, looks like the gold flare is stronger than blue flare, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweak Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 My Elmo has pretty strong flares, but my 8Z blue flare is the strongest, it will flare from anything (and it looks nice unlike some other blue flares from certain brands). I also prefer Metric. ken 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whosawwho Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 On 2016/6/15 at 8:31 PM, ken said: I can tell you B&H version's rear mount is 54mm thread, 16-H's is 50mm. Coating is different too. So if mount on 52mm filter thread lens, 16-H is possible to mount closer. Ken! Thanks so much for your kindly reply! OK,I try to look for B&H! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 7 hours ago, Whosawwho said: Ken! Thanks so much for your kindly reply! OK,I try to look for B&H! IMO, B&H has non advantage over Elmo II. So I sold it first. Whosawwho 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whosawwho Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Ken! I thought the rear lens diameter of Elmo II is smaller than B&H. By any chance, is it same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Whosawwho said: Ken! I thought the rear lens diameter of Elmo II is smaller than B&H. By any chance, is it same? I said already, 50 vs 54, different. So Elmo II is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweak Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 On 15 June 2016 at 9:57 PM, tweak said: As Ken says, B&H has 54mm threads, Some 16-H/8Z have 50mm, some have 52 (from my experience). Size of rear element and front element between the two are exactly the same. Coatings can differ, but I've also seen 8Z/16-H with exact same coatings as the B&H. 8Z/16H is easier to adapt in my opinion and the unpainted metal around the back is nicer (from a personal view). Also read the second line I posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bioskop.Inc Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Just to settle any confusion: The Kowa for B&H was made under specific guidelines for B&H & the quality control had to be better. Now whether the one you buy is still in good condition is another thing - age, use etc... Not to sure about the Elmo II manufacture, but it might fall into the same category as the B&H - however, the smaller rear element suggests it's just a re-branded Kowa. Flares can be dependant on the coatings, but different light sources can also have an affect on the resulting colours of the flares. Finally, the bigger the rear element the better - as it can be coupled with a wider range of taking lenses (this is why some people consider the Iscorama 54 to be a better buy than the 36 or 42 - flexibility of taking lenses). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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