Marco Tecno Posted March 6, 2015 Author Share Posted March 6, 2015 Also nx1 is rated at 60p. But then there are the slowmo modes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcio Kabke Pinheiro Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 At least the 4k crop mode was confirmed in the Korean NX500 site: http://www.samsung.com/sec/consumer/store-only/store-camera/product/EV-NX500ZAMIKR (you can use Google Translate to help)The same site have a formware for download, version 1.0 - that means a defintive first production firmware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tugela Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 I was kind of thinking the same thing. But Samsung is a little vague on its spec sheet, if you read Dpreview people are discovering the 120fps option and Samsung only lists a Slow/Fast mode in the video specs. Perhaps the crop is an updated option since the processor can do full sensor readout, Samsung seems to be continually discovering more features that are made possible by the considerable processing power in the NX1. I'm still holding off ordering though.I've seen the 240fps screenshot too, there has to be another big NX1 update coming. The more I shoot with it, the more I like it. My NX1 just replaced the A7s, its so much faster and more responsive, better ergonomics and much easier to set up. I decided 4k internal was better for me. If the NX500 is a dud, there's always the LX100.The DPReview people didn't "discover" anything. It is clearly described in the manual. That those individuals couldn't comprehend the concept doesn't mean that it was "discovered". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chris Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 The DPReview people didn't "discover" anything. It is clearly described in the manual. That those individuals couldn't comprehend the concept doesn't mean that it was "discovered".Well right now we only have the spec sheet from Samsung on the NX500 and it doesn't specify Slow/Fast capabilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chris Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 It's now officially listed in Samsung's specs. The NX500 crop is confirmed. Bummer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff CB Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 It's now officially listed in Samsung's specs. The NX500 crop is confirmed. Bummer...That is a shame, though I do hope they give it to us as an option in the NX1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chris Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 That is a shame, though I do hope they give it to us as an option in the NX1.Agreed. It would be nice to get a little extra reach. Its tough to get specifics without any hands on reviews, but reports say its sampling part of the sensor rather than the full sensor readout. It might be a processing issue with the smaller camera and a less robust image pipeline. What the NX1 is doing with the new sensor, full readout and such is flat out amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcio Kabke Pinheiro Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 In other forums people noticed that the Samsung now says that the NX500 have a "DRIM Vs" chipset (the NX1 have a DRIM V). Probably a underclocked version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexO Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 DRIM Vs and crop is actually official info from Samsung NX500 product page, not just speculations. It even specifies 1.68 crop (relative to 1.54 APS-C) for cinema 4K and 1.77 for UHD 4K. http://www.samsung.com/sec/consumer/store-only/store-camera/product/EV-NX500ZAMIKROn US webpage it says DRIM Vs and only says about reduced field of view for 4K.http://www.samsung.com/us/photography/digital-cameras/EV-NX500ZBMIUSSmall raw buffer(for those who are interested in still photos) have been confirmed as well via Korean manual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted March 10, 2015 Administrators Share Posted March 10, 2015 It's now officially listed in Samsung's specs. The NX500 crop is confirmed. Bummer...It might have some advantages.- Finer noise grain- Less banding (this can be caused by scaling)- Less rolling shutterAnd 1.68x crop is tiny over 1.6x crop Canon APS-C standard, nobody complains about 1.6x vs 1.5x APS-C standards do they?I think the difference will be smaller than imagined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 But is it 1.68x crop relative to FullFrame or to APS-C (1.68*1.54=2.58x)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexO Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 1.68X is relative to APS-C. So relative to FF it's gonna be 2.58X for cinema 4K. So working 4K area is gonna be smaller than GH4's 4K(which I think is 2.3X). Without speedbooster(not available for NX system) or fast short focal length native lenses I could see how it could be problematic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Tecno Posted March 10, 2015 Author Share Posted March 10, 2015 Still hoping that this mode gets offered for nx1 as an alternative, as well. A sort of digital zooming (and perhaps reducing rs). Jimmy and Geoff CB 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chris Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 But is it 1.68x crop relative to FullFrame or to APS-C (1.68*1.54=2.58x)?That's what it appears to be from the video sample, but Samsung's wording is still confusing. Hopefully we get a review soon. From the US site's specs:*When recording 4K or UHD video, the angle of view becomes narrower. (Effective angle of view : approx. 4K 1.68 times, UHD 1.77 times the focal length) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcio Kabke Pinheiro Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 If the 4k image is generated from a 1:1 3840 (or 4096) x2160 pixels crop from the center of the sensor, and the pixel size from the NX500 is a little bit smaller than GH4's, I guess that the crop is a little bit higher than the GH4's - then the 2,58x crop looks correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah Mahaffey Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Even with the crop this camera is about the same sensor size as a GH4 and even larger than a Pocket Cinema Camera/BMCC. So it's still a pretty sweet deal when you look at it that way. Its basically a 4k Pocket camera with interchangeable lenses and the option to go to super 35mm 1080p. Id still buy the NX500 over a GH4 if those were my options. But the NX1 looks far more appealing so for double the price as the NX500 id say its worth just getting an NX1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff CB Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Even with the crop this camera is about the same sensor size as a GH4 and even larger than a Pocket Cinema Camera/BMCC. So it's still a pretty sweet deal when you look at it that way. Its basically a 4k Pocket camera with interchangeable lenses and the option to go to super 35mm 1080p. Id still buy the NX500 over a GH4 if those were my options. But the NX1 looks far more appealing so for double the price as the NX500 id say its worth just getting an NX1. I like the samsung Series of cameras. However, m43 has far more wide angle options than the Samsung mount. The widest lens is 12mm or in the 4K mode on NX500 about or about a 35mm Full Frame Equivalent. With no speedbooster. That is horrific in terms of wide angle options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik R SP Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 If the 2.58 crop factor result been true would this tv of lenses have some use?Fujinon 6.7-121mm f1.4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HR_qvkGi-c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff CB Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 If the 2.58 crop factor result been true would this tv of lenses have some use?Fujinon 6.7-121mm f1.4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HR_qvkGi-cOhhh your right, the 4K crop will be near 16mm spec. 4K with 16mm zoom lenses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik R SP Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 6.7 x 1.5 x 1.6 = 16.08 Sounds like a good alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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