Administrators Andrew Reid Posted April 8, 2015 Administrators Share Posted April 8, 2015 Nice but shame about the tiny sensor and boring lens.A Super 35mm interchangeable lens version of this would kill the GH4. So where is it!?$2500 at B&H, ships June13.36MP 1" CMOS Sensor & DIGIC DV 5 ProcessorVideo Mode: 8.29MP (3840 x 2160), Stills mode: 12MP (4000 x 3000)10x Fixed Manual Zoom Lens with Image Stabilization: 8.9 - 89mm f/2.8 - f/5.6 (27.3-273mm 35mm equivalent)Autofocus (but not Dual Pixel like the other Canon models)XF-AVC H.264 Recording3840 x 2160 up to 30fps1080p to 60fps720p up to 120fps4K: 305 Mbps: 29.97p, 23.98p, 205 Mbps: 25p1080 / 720p: 50 Mbps: 59.94p, 50p // 35 Mbps: 59.94i, 50i, 29.97p 25p1/8 (3-step) ND Filter Built-inMovie/Photo: ISO 160 to 20,000, Canon Log/Wide DR: ISO 500 to 20,00012 Stops of Dynamic RangeCFast 2.0 for UHD/HD and SD Card Slot for HD Only, Photos, and Camera Settings4K: CFast 2.0 card; Full HD/Photo: SD card (Class 10 recommended for 50Mbps)3" 1,030,000 Dot Touchscreen LCD, No EVF, but you can attach a loupe to the adjustable LCDHDMI with 4K Output (This looks to be 10-bit 4:2:2 and can record to the Atomos Shogun)Headphone jack, Built-in stereo microphone, 3.5mm stereo mini jack external microphoneBuilt-in WiFiTakes LP-E6 BatteriesAudio: Linear PCM (2ch, 16 bit, 48 kHz)Weight: Around 2lbs. Henry Gentles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ebrahim Saadawi Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 To be honest, the absolute perfect body design. DSLR but just without ALL the annoyances, just genius drawing. What ruins it? The fixed mount. Put an EF-M mount on this and you'll own the prosumer market, but hey, they had to fix that lens, it's Canon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted April 8, 2015 Author Administrators Share Posted April 8, 2015 May as well stick the 14-140mm on the GH4. But nobody does that because it looks video-ish.GH4 will get LOG soon I expect so that makes the XC10 even less desirable vs the Panasonic. Zach Goodwin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 after spending an hour painstakingly cleaning my A7s sensor... A fixed lens looks very appealing, right now!Shame it wasn't f2.8 through the range.This will be a dream on a copter/gimbal though... If the AF and stabilisation are up to scratch, it could be perfect. Would double as a nice little vacation camera too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tosvus Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Does not seem interesting at all to me - especially at that price... kidzrevil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeys Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Beyond the codec, what does this offer that the FZ1000 doesn't have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Hughes Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Beyond the codec, what does this offer that the FZ1000 doesn't have?C-log, as well as (presumably) better DR and low light performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted April 8, 2015 Author Administrators Share Posted April 8, 2015 It is likely whatever low light advantage the sensor has, that is cancelled out by the F2.8-F5.6 zoom.Just get an LX100 or stick a zoom on a GH4. Nick Hughes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Official video by Canon. With ugly clipped highlights... (1:00). I suppose it could look better if shot in C-Log and graded properly.Beyond the codec, what does this offer that the FZ1000 doesn't have?Wide angle when shooting 4K (27,3-273mm f/2.8-5.6). The FZ1000 crops the sensor at 4K and turns the 25-400mm lens into a 37-592mm.I prefer the FZ1000 form factor. It's a lot stealthier because everybody thinks you're taking pictures instead of video. This looks more like a camcorder.Also, it looks like the XC10 can't shoot raw photos. Which makes it a bit silly as a serious hybrid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted April 8, 2015 Author Administrators Share Posted April 8, 2015 Wow that promo video is going to take some beating for wooden model movements. She behaves like a cyborg.The dirt under my fingernails contains more life than is present in that video.The yellow-tinted clipped highlights are similar to what I get on the FZ1000 for $700. You'd think for $2500 they would have sorted that out.This camera tarnishes the Cinema EOS brand. Zach Goodwin, kidzrevil, MrTony and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richg101 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 what a shame about the fixed lens. imagine this with some nice c-mount glass on there. crop in by 30% to get the 16mm frame size and you still got more than 2.5k of res. they fixed the lens because they don;t have their own range of glass to sell for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbp Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I know it is early into the life cycle of 4K but it seems like 4K / 60P is a rare feature. I figured this, with it's smaller sensor, would be able to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted April 8, 2015 Author Administrators Share Posted April 8, 2015 4K at 60fps would be tricky to edit I think.Needs a LOT more horsepower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdebono Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I was getting quite intrigued by this camera as it seemed like a good B-cam for run & gun shooting, until I've read that stabilization doesn't work when recording in 4K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I'm lacking words for this, so I'm going with a smiley: .Do they expect this to sell like hot cakes? I'm wondering who would pay that kind of money for this kind of... eh. Thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I was getting quite intrigued by this camera as it seemed like a good B-cam for run & gun shooting, until I've read that stabilization doesn't work when recording in 4K The lens has IS (in the lens), it does work when recording 4K. When shooting 1080p you get 5 axis Dynamic IS, which is a combination of lens IS and electronic stabilisation. StenR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantsin Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Remember when the C300 came out, and everybody laughed it off because it looked like nothing against the Red Scarlet, which had been released at the same time, sporting much better specs (on paper) for a much lower price? (Remember this: http://philipbloom.net/2011/11/04/newcameras/ ?)Well, this story did not end the way everyone had expected. The moral: Don't judge a camera from the spec sheet. The Canon xc10 doesn't look very compelling on paper, but could still edge out its 1"-fixed-zoom consumer alternatives like the RX10 with only a few details:- C300 colors + log profile;- No artificial image sharpening;- No downsampled megapixel-overloaded consumer photo camera sensor with bad dynamic range and bad noise;- A fully corrected lens and no artificial software lens correction, as opposed to the badly distorting, in-camera-photoshopped "Zeiss" and "Leica" offerings by Sony and Panasonic.Admittedly, the demo video doesn't suggest any of the above, but as with the C300, I'd rather wait how the camera will perform in real life than jump to premature conclusions with no real basis but the camera's spec sheet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted April 8, 2015 Author Administrators Share Posted April 8, 2015 So what if it edges out the RX10? That concept is 2 years old and sells for less than $1000.This is supposed to be a cutting edge 2015 Cinema EOS camera for $2500! IronFilm and estarkey7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantsin Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Again, the C300 was everything but a cutting edge cinema camera when it came out in 2011 (on the spec sheet: way behind what RED and Sony offered at that time), and it costed twice as much as a Scarlet. If - and that is: a big hypothetical if - the xc10 will produce a great image and turn out to be a robust workhorse, it will find its market even for $2500.EDIT: For example, people who buy a Blackmagic Pocket camera for $1000 and rig it up with lenses, ND filters, audio preamps, cages etc., will also end up paying $2500 for a 1" camera, and still end up being frustrated by its quirks and strong reliance on post production. I'm a very happy Pocket user btw. - but different people have different needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I'm sure it will find it's market, or Canon will create a market for it. That doesn't mean we - enthusiasts with a hunger for best value - are going to fall for it...The XC10 opinion article on dpreview is a joke... http://***URL removed***/articles/1113663915/opinion-why-the-canon-xc10-is-a-big-deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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