Tiago Rosa-Rosso Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 Canon is on the right track with this camera. The form factor is great. Just put a bigger sensor in it (super35 or fullframe) and make it interchangeable ef mount, so we can use the tons of lenses we already bought. Also it would be great to have dual pixel tech in it and the possibility to remove the hand grip so it gets more gimbal drone friendly. But there is a big problem with this concept, it kills the c100 line of cameras. Zach Goodwin and iamoui 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted April 5, 2016 Super Members Share Posted April 5, 2016 1 hour ago, Tiago Rosa-Rosso said: But there is a big problem with this concept, it kills the c100 line of cameras. IMO it is the C-line. What you are asking for already exist DayRaven 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiago Rosa-Rosso Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 What I meant was, this XC10 design is for me more appealing than the so called c-line. I like this compact design, and it would be great if you could use other lenses, more fast and compact. I know that the c-line offers you this possibility and it would be stupid from canon to lunch a camera that competes with their own cameras. But from what i saw on your review this camera is more light, compact and less intimidating than a c100 or c300, also the color science is good, the rolling shutter is acceptable and the codec maybe is not very editing friendly but it makes a good job, at least I don't see banding, moire, aliasing or strange artefacts on most of the footage out there. 2 hours ago, Mattias Burling said: IMO it is the C-line. What you are asking for already exist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRenaissanceMan Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 Give it a mount that can use S16mm glass and this would be a pretty cool competitor to the BMPCC/BMMCC. Tiago Rosa-Rosso 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisAK Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 On 4/5/2016 at 6:07 PM, TheRenaissanceMan said: Give it a mount that can use S16mm glass and this would be a pretty cool competitor to the BMPCC/BMMCC. Kind of a glass-half-empty thinking. From my point of view, give the BMPCC some auto-exposure functionality, 4K and a great fixed lens, and at would be a cool competitor to the XC10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRenaissanceMan Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 4 minutes ago, KrisAK said: Kind of a glass-half-empty thinking. From my point of view, give the BMPCC some auto-exposure functionality, 4K and a great fixed lens, and at would be a cool competitor to the XC10. That requires a lot more effort on BM's part (new sensor, new firmware/processing, new body design, new codecs, lens design/partnership/manufacturing) than Canon's (remove lens, add EF-M mount). mercer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 6 minutes ago, TheRenaissanceMan said: That requires a lot more effort on BM's part (new sensor, new firmware/processing, new body design, new codecs, lens design/partnership/manufacturing) than Canon's (remove lens, add EF-M mount). Good call. Put an ef-m mount on this bastard and sell it as a body only camera for $1500. bamigoreng 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRenaissanceMan Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 Right!? I'm genuinely stunned they haven't stuck the EF-M mount on a Cinema EOS camera yet. Here they've got a great mirrorless mount with speed boosters and adapters for EF(-S) compatibility just sitting there and they're doing precisely dick all with it. mercer, Don Kotlos and MattH 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 I understand product protection, but Canon really needs to take a page from Sony's handbook. The ef-M mount was one of the best innovations by canon in the past 5 years... They honestly did everything right with it... Including a slow rollout of native lenses. Now it just sits there for subpar, sub $500 selfie cameras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRenaissanceMan Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 I mean...no need to make it the ONLY option. Just offer it alongside EF and PL. Where's the downside? mercer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 They have too many markets to protect. We always mention the higher end cinema line, but I have a feeling they're more worried about protecting their camcorder division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 1 hour ago, TheRenaissanceMan said: Right!? I'm genuinely stunned they haven't stuck the EF-M mount on a Cinema EOS camera yet. Here they've got a great mirrorless mount with speed boosters and adapters for EF(-S) compatibility just sitting there and they're doing precisely dick all with it. Yep EF-M mount with a speedbooster adapter and native support for AF from Canon would immediately increase the value of any camera they put it on. Be it C500 or M3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Anastasi Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 so what's the new firmware all about Andrew ? I'm guessing you bought one of these because you know what the new firmware has ?... common dude, spill the beans already! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted April 10, 2016 Super Members Share Posted April 10, 2016 3 minutes ago, Tony Anastasi said: so what's the new firmware all about Andrew ? I'm guessing you bought one of these because you know what the new firmware has ?... common dude, spill the beans already! http://gadgetflux.net/canon-xc10-firmware-update-v1010/ Tony Anastasi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Anastasi Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Just now, Mattias Burling said: http://gadgetflux.net/canon-xc10-firmware-update-v1010/ this is the new one that's supposed to come out this nab 2016? i cannot see a post date on that story you linked here.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted April 10, 2016 Author Administrators Share Posted April 10, 2016 It's just a rumour. Let's see. Tony Anastasi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Rejoice guys: The XC10 4K Camcorder firmware will be updated to include a new file format MP4 in HD mode (35 Mbps only), improved AF speed, and shutter speed options for flicker reduction. Read more: http://www.canonrumors.com/canon-u-s-a-announces-a-host-of-product-firmware-updates-at-nab-2016/#ixzz45mlJA5AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tugela Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Well now.....that just changes everything! Being able to shoot at 35 mbps is an amazing leap forward, other manufacturers need to take note and follow Canon's lead. It is great that Canon continue to innovate like this! Bravo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted April 14, 2016 Super Members Share Posted April 14, 2016 17 minutes ago, tugela said: Well now.....that just changes everything! Being able to shoot at 35 mbps is an amazing leap forward, other manufacturers need to take note and follow Canon's lead. It is great that Canon continue to innovate like this! Bravo! Youre right, they should take note. Both 35mbps as well as 200 and 305mbps 4:2:2 Log in 4K and an editable format would have saved the NX1 from extinction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted April 14, 2016 Author Administrators Share Posted April 14, 2016 1 hour ago, Jimmy said: Rejoice guys: The XC10 4K Camcorder firmware will be updated to include a new file format MP4 in HD mode (35 Mbps only), improved AF speed, and shutter speed options for flicker reduction. Read more: http://www.canonrumors.com/canon-u-s-a-announces-a-host-of-product-firmware-updates-at-nab-2016/#ixzz45mlJA5AL FFS It's pathetic. They could have at least tweaked the control scheme. And they waited till NAB to reveal 'this'. Camera's been out a year! Having said that any firmware update or added functionality is very rare from Canon. Maybe they are going to get better at firmware updates and follow Sony's lead from now on. Hopefully it won't lead to more bugs in the version 1.0 cameras as a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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