wolf33d Posted November 1, 2015 Author Share Posted November 1, 2015 And honestly ....... Do you do landscapes with ISO 3200 ? Lol.... Seriously. DR is useful at base ISO in most cases. I would rather have better DR at base ISO than having better DR at high ISO. And anyway, Sony has the A7S II for that so where is the problem ? At least they have products for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted November 1, 2015 Super Members Share Posted November 1, 2015 DR doesn't mean crap to the photographer. Marketing is only for the businessmen not the cinematographer. And here is somethong, I freaking hate Apple Macs and feel like they are behind Microsoft in terms of customizing the internals. They overcharge their highest performance computer which has the same power of a standard gaming computerus with Windows which is cheaper. The reason why hardly anyone discusses that? It is not cool. All I got to say is Canon needs to get their shit together in products and Camera people need to get their shit together in filming stuff. I never heard anyone during 80s or 90s about using a VHS camcorder.Sounds like you would enjoy my video about my Lenovo pc that I use for editing. I discuss the price without feeling uncool.https://youtu.be/Mbev3cMnJk8 Zach Goodwin and iamoui 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcs Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Since the XC10 has 422 8-bit 4K I would expect the 5D4 to provide the same or more (perhaps 10-bit). So far Canon only appears to support MJPEG for 4K (ALL-I XF-AVC is effectively a form of MJPEG). This would appear to indicate that their processors aren't very powerful and/or thermally efficient enough to support long GOP 4K, which can produce much smaller files.Canon's workaround for only supporting ALL-I 4K is to require CFast cards, which are still very expensive. ALL-I 4K looks great, especially when's there is lots of motion, however for most interview/narrative shots long GOP (IPB) looks just as good and greatly saves disk space.The 5D4 with ALL-I 422 8/10-bit 4K and CFast 2.0 would make sense given Canon's current hardware capability. This might require a new chip- the DIGIC DV chips are more for video cameras (vs stills as with DIGIC).Given that Sony is catching up to Canon for skintones on the A7S II for example, Canon's biggest advantage is the amazing autofocus/MF assist with EF lenses (C300 II AF works very well so far). Adding that system to the 5D4 would be compelling. 1tkman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted November 1, 2015 Super Members Share Posted November 1, 2015 Since the XC10 has 422 8-bit 4K I would expect the 5D4 to provide the same or more (perhaps 10-bit).Ive been secretly hoping for this. The 422 from the xc10 is so nice. Same quality on FF would be crazy.One note, the xc10 has a small 1" sensor but still has a fan to cool it. Guess they could put a bmcc style fan in it but that would probably not sit well with the still shooters. And they are the most important market for a 5div. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgharding Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 I'm gonna say it won't have 4Kcynical I know, but once bitten...the 5D is a still camera. The XC10 is a video camera. Canon have decided this separation will stay for the moment, so it won't have equal video specs.they have a separate video offering now. The 5D chapter has closed... gelaxstudio 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted November 1, 2015 Super Members Share Posted November 1, 2015 I'm gonna say it won't have 4Kcynical I know, but once bitten...Thats fine by me. Good 422 HD is good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgharding Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Thats fine by me. Good 422 HD is good enough.I'm not sure it'll even have 422 HD!could be wrong, but not surprised if it didn't and was 420 8-bit again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted November 1, 2015 Super Members Share Posted November 1, 2015 I'm not sure it'll even have 422 HD!could be wrong, but not surprised if it didn't and was 420 8-bit againMaybe not. They will probably do what makes them the most cash. If thats not 4k, why bother. gelaxstudio 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gelaxstudio Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 IMHODSLR has about 40% mechanical components won't be used for shooting videos,including mirror ，OVF，top screen，PDAF unit （the one nearby mirror）and light metering sensorThey are totally a waste of money if you don't need they for still workwhat is worse ，you geting inaccurate light metering while LV because the light metering sensor is blocked by mirrorAnd because the DSLRs are designed to use PDAF unit（not dual pixel AF）for still work，developing video/LV AF（ dual pixel AF is included） means abandon PDAF unit （If dual pixel AF is useful than PDAF unit ，who still need it？）The hope of DSLRs being a better video cam kills DSLRs itself！ Funny thing is，without those useless components，mirrorless cameras （like the A7X and GHX）can be much cheaper than DSLRs ，so DSLRs can never win by lower price Just let it go！Pleaseeeee！ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted November 2, 2015 Super Members Share Posted November 2, 2015 Problem is the results. Currently I get better looking images with a DSLR than a mirrorless.Same thing when I got my Blackmagic, "what about external power", "No grip", "Big files", etc.Don't people get that many of us are willing to jump through just about any hoop if it means a better result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted November 2, 2015 Super Members Share Posted November 2, 2015 Right now people are obsessing about getting video camcorders that look like film....I dont Zach Goodwin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgharding Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 don't go shooting that lovely stuff in Candle-light now old chap ;) Zach Goodwin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted November 2, 2015 Super Members Share Posted November 2, 2015 don't go shooting that lovely stuff in Candle-light now old chap No worries. Its for documenting me, the dog and GF moving in together. Thought s8 would be more appropriate than s16 for such a classic home movie If there are any european s8 shooters out there I higly recommend gaugefilm in England. Got me the roll in 2 days. They develop and scan as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turboguard Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I dont UGH! I live for Kodak's Vision 3 series!That and the Eastman Color Negative 100T 5254/7254. I don't need anything else!I know it's OT, but does anyone know if there's someone who made a LUT for the EC films? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 The new Leica camera might help push Canon towards good 4K in DSLR.... I don't know many pro still shooters that would trade a Canon for a Sony, but I know plenty that would trade for a Leica. If the still shooters using the new Leica start pulling stills from the 4K video, then the industry will change again... I don't think there has yet been a bone fide camera where pro still shooters are using the video mode as a still tool (RED is too bulky and flawed for 99%).... Maybe the Leica is that camera to bring the lightbulb moment and start things off.Canon react when threatened... I don't think they feel hugely threatened by Sony, in the still market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 So it sounds guys, that you will ALL be wrong, and that I will be right Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Talk [CR1]Only selling points of 5D4 will be better ISO/DR for photo (AF is already excellent on 5DIII, mpx count wont evolve much, ergonomics as well..) And for video it will be 4K ,and the Dual focus system found on the 70D. Now imagine a hacked 5DIV, with RAW 4K, best world AF for video (completely usable), all Canon lenses native, Canon colors ..... Well not bad no ? It will be priced 3500-4000 though..CR1 = info pulled out of my ass, is more likely to be wrong than right!(ditto "SR1" or "FT1" etc, basically 1 is the lowest of the low possible rumor accuracy rating that the website can give it. So take any of those rumours with a HUGE GRAIN OF SALT) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gelaxstudio Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 The new Leica camera might help push Canon towards good 4K in DSLR.... I don't know many pro still shooters that would trade a Canon for a Sony, but I know plenty that would trade for a Leica. If the still shooters using the new Leica start pulling stills from the 4K video, then the industry will change again... I don't think there has yet been a bone fide camera where pro still shooters are using the video mode as a still tool (RED is too bulky and flawed for 99%).... Maybe the Leica is that camera to bring the lightbulb moment and start things off.Canon react when threatened... I don't think they feel hugely threatened by Sony, in the still market.I think Leica SL is too ugly to be popular Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted November 5, 2015 Administrators Share Posted November 5, 2015 Let's look at the good old 5D product cycle to predict when it will arrive...August 2005 - 5D announcedSeptember 2008 - 5D Mark II announced (holy shit that was a good camera for 2008)March 2012 - 5D Mark III announced (boring for 2012!)So 3 years the gap usuallyIt is overdue3 years was March 2015!I think November would be a good time for it to hit before Christmas 2015. Otherwise it could be any time in 2016, preferably before NAB if Canon wants to get back into the DSLR video market at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted November 5, 2015 Super Members Share Posted November 5, 2015 Its still the third most popular camera (not dslr, camera) at B&H so not really overdue imo.I think Canon are really smart. While the others have sunk money into countless models and features they have just kept selling the same old camera at a premium price.Genius. Nikkor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagnje Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I shot 3 "making of " of mainstream music videos this year. 3 diferent DPs, 3 diferent directors. 80% was shot on 5Dmk3 and the rest which was slow mos on fs700. There are plenty of 4k cameras in this price range, but I guess people are just used to the 5d image and it works.By the look of things I predict that 4k will become mainstream once canon releases a 4k 5d camera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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