Jonesy Jones Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Ed, one of these days you are going to make a mistake, a big one. You will rationalize it and justify it to yourself, but it won't matter because most of the people you know, and tons who don't, will disconnect and distance themselves from you regardless of what you say or do. They will hate you and slander you, to the point that it even hurts the very individuals you transgressed to begin with. And the reason I know this is going to happen is because you are human, and to err is human. And messing up and throwing stones at other humans who mess up is what humans have been doing since creation, it's part of our humanity.And when this day comes, and it most certainly will, if our lives are still digitally connected, by all means reach out. I will be happy to chat. No judging. Only acceptance. Because forgiveness and love are the ONLY way to stop this vicious cycle of messing up and throwing stones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_David Posted April 12, 2015 Author Share Posted April 12, 2015 No guys unlike you think i will never cause domestic violence towards a person. And on saudi arabia i have spoken a lot about this issue . But unlike saudi arabia this is an issue i have the choice to make a difference on.I will not condone violencd towards anyone nor condone taking the side of a person over two women who claim domestic abuse. Huuow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtheory Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 I'm with the innocent! I wish people would take their grievances to court first and then take it public, not the other way round. Why should the internet have to deal with this shit when there are police and judges paid to do it? Speculating on this issue feels dirty and wrong. Ugh.... Daniel Acuña, Andrew Reid and Gokhan Guvenc 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 I'm with the innocent! I wish people would take their grievances to court first and then take it public, not the other way round. Why should the internet have to deal with this shit when there are police and judges paid to do it? Speculating on this issue feels dirty and wrong. Ugh.... It would appear Detective Ed has appointed himself judge and jury. Therefore his abuse of Bloom is justified. And make no mistake Ed, what you are doing is incredibly abusive, destructive, and hurtful to Bloom. How would you feel if you were accused of child molestation and almost overnight had your reputation destroyed by people who said they were just standing up for the victims of child sexual abuse? Look up the McMartin preschool trial. Not every accusation turns out to be legit Ed. And you know very little about what happened between Bloom and these ladies. The bottom line is none of us know what really happened. But you've convinced yourself Bloom is guilty and deserving of your abuse. Shameful. What you are doing, your behavior, is completely shameful. I ask you to please reconsider behavior and stop it. You are doing great harm with your witch hunt to what could very well be a completely innocent person. Geoff CB and Palpet 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy lee Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 its time to tone it down guys !! you will never all agree on this topic , as we dont know the facts ....lets move on .... Inazuma and JazzBox 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted April 12, 2015 Administrators Share Posted April 12, 2015 Agreed. Not sweeping it under the rug. But needs to stay respectful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted April 12, 2015 Administrators Share Posted April 12, 2015 Also, is somewhat ironic the abuse Ed has suffered for his opinions and beliefs, given the subject matter itself is abuse!! Stop it guys. Or we'll have to talk about cameras again... Lammy, JazzBox and Ed_David 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_David Posted April 12, 2015 Author Share Posted April 12, 2015 If 2 women came forward accusing me of abuse here would be my response...."these claims are completely false and i am seeking legal protection immediately. This will be a matter for the courts."Thats it.Thats what i would do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleison Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 If 2 women came forward accusing me of abuse here would be my response...."these claims are completely false and i am seeking legal protection immediately. This will be a matter for the courts."Thats it.Thats what i would do.http://falseallegationsawareness.com/woman-has-man-hog-tie-and-beat-her-to-frame-her-ex-boyfriend/http://www.kbtx.com/sports/home/headlines/Ex-Alabama-players-accuser-recants-domestic-violence-claim-298360521.htmlNot unheard for multiple people to lie.... Sadly, we live in a world where people jump to conclusions. Let's find evidence before we lynch anyone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWill Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 If 2 women came forward accusing me of abuse here would be my response...."these claims are completely false and i am seeking legal protection immediately. This will be a matter for the courts."Thats it.Thats what i would do.And you would be totally happy with your career, your life being flushed down the toilet, right? Or would you think it was unfair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 If 2 women came forward accusing me of abuse here would be my response...."these claims are completely false and i am seeking legal protection immediately. This will be a matter for the courts."Thats it.Thats what i would do.Okay Ed that is what you would do... Bloom reacted differently, but honestly you can only surmise what you would do... You would not know for sure until put into the situation.Honestly, I really think this entire argument is getting stupid... It's no longer about Bloom or his Saras...It has become a pissing match about semantics. I believe you are guilty of self-righteousness, but honestly... I really don't care anymore.When I first heard of the story I was saddened by the entire affair... For all parties involved.I knew I didn't know the entire story, but also knew it was sad whatever the truth was. But your inability to look objectively on this issue has forced me into ambivalence ... Which is probably the opposite effect you were attempting.This whole discussion reminds me why I stopped talking politics. Inazuma 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_David Posted April 13, 2015 Author Share Posted April 13, 2015 And you would be totally happy with your career, your life being flushed down the toilet, right? Or would you think it was unfair?If they were two different ex girlfriends who i dated for more than 2 years. One a ex finance. I wouldnt think i would need to say more. Because i am on good terms with all my exes. None of them would ever accuse me of physically or emotionally torturing them. If they did i would have nothing but sadness and remorse for them. I would reach out persoanlly and figure it out. I wouldnt say anything public about them in a statement. always take the high road especially if you have any internet recognition.And if i had sponsors i would have reached out privately to them. I wouldnt have gone to facebook and posted that i needed someone to remove posts on my wall.But im sorry am i on trial here? I have had no one accuse me of any wrongdoing here. But thats okay i am fine to answer questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_David Posted April 13, 2015 Author Share Posted April 13, 2015 http://falseallegationsawareness.com/woman-has-man-hog-tie-and-beat-her-to-frame-her-ex-boyfriend/http://www.kbtx.com/sports/home/headlines/Ex-Alabama-players-accuser-recants-domestic-violence-claim-298360521.htmlNot unheard for multiple people to lie.... Sadly, we live in a world where people jump to conclusions. Let's find evidence before we lynch anyone... Yes but those are rare and newsworthy occurances. Im sure if someone looks into it 95 percent of the time when 2 people come together its true. maybe i need to research that since now im on trial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWill Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 If they were two different ex girlfriends who i dated for more than 2 years. One a ex finance. I wouldnt think i would need to say more. Because i am on good terms with all my exes. None of them would ever accuse me of physically or emotionally torturing them. If they did i would have nothing but sadness and remorse for them. I would reach out persoanlly and figure it out. I wouldnt say anything public about them in a statement. always take the high road especially if you have any internet recognition.And if i had sponsors i would have reached out privately to them. I wouldnt have gone to facebook and posted that i needed someone to remove posts on my wall.But im sorry am i on trial here? I have had no one accuse me of any wrongdoing here. But thats okay i am fine to answer questions. No, you're not on trial, but I am trying to put scenarios to you where you can appreciate that the damage to your life of being wrongfully accused is just as life changing as having suffered domestic abuse. I'm trying to get you to understand why I think you are being dangerously unfair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_David Posted April 13, 2015 Author Share Posted April 13, 2015 No, you're not on trial, but I am trying to put scenarios to you where you can appreciate that the damage to your life of being wrongfully accused is just as life changing as having suffered domestic abuse. I'm trying to get you to understand why I think you are being dangerously unfair."Dangerously unfair" to a person accused of physically and emotionally abusing two ex girlfriends who dates him for more than 2.5 years? Not just two random woman who claim he was a one night stand?If two of my ex girlfriends I dated for 2.5 years came forward, Kelly and Ashleigh (names changed), and both said the same things, I would be shocked, consult a lawyer immediately - reach out to them privately and publicly issue a statement denying this, saying I am filing a lawsuit for defamation of character and assure all my sponsors privately and all my clients and friends privately that there must be some mistake - i would reach out to friends who know both me and them and also reach out to their best friends personally and friends and my spiritual leaders and try to find a solution immediately. I would especially interview their best friends and try to figure out what is going on - if it's possible that both of them have suddenly reached some weird "pact" to hurt my reputation. I would especially interview their best friends who posted on facebook that they supported them - and try to understand maybe why also their best friends have turned on me.I would have not fallen the routes of Bloom. Also in terms of research on percentage of falsely reported instance of abuse by two women or more, I could find no single instance - if someone wants to check harder for me, I will give you credit in the article I am writing next, "I am now going on trial by the filmmaking community for commenting on how the filmmaking community reacted to Philip Bloom reacting to abuse charges."If you want to be a part of this interview, please email me at ed.david@gmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWill Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 "Dangerously unfair" to a person accused of physically and emotionally abusing two ex girlfriends who dates him for more than 2.5 years? Not just two random woman who claim he was a one night stand?If two of my ex girlfriends I dated for 2.5 years came forward, Kelly and Ashleigh, and both said the same things, I would be shocked, consult a lawyer immediately - reach out to them privately and publically issue a statement denying this, saying I am filing a lawsuit for defamation of character and assure all my sponsors privately and all my clients and friends privately that there must be some mistake - i would reach out to friends who know both me and then personally and friends and my spirtual leaders and try to find a solution immediately.I would have not fallen the routes of Bloom. Also in terms of research on percentage of falsely reported instance of abuse by two women or more, I could find no single instance - if someone wants to check harder for me, I will give you credit in the article I am writing next, "I am now going on trial for commenting on how the filmmaking community reacted to Philip Bloom reacting to abuse charges."If you want to be a part of this interview, please email me at ed.david@gmail.comSo, you're a talented enough psychologist to be able to, without meeting or talking to PB, judge his guilt based on how he reacted to the accusations? Because this is my desk.Those books are, among other things on psychology, criminal psychology and the psychology of abuse. I specialised in domestic abuse for over a decade and I can tell you right now, that in my professional opinion, philip blooms actions do not indicate a trend towards innocence or guilt. Are you better read and more up to date than me? Do you have more professional experience than me? No, because if you had even a years training you would know enough to know that you cannot understand someone's motivations without weeks of high intensity - read inpatient - work with them in a 1 to 1 situation. You wouldn't be making ridiculous statements like the one above.If anything, "lawyering up" straight away is a warning sign of guilt.As for being a part of your interview, I have already spoken with you over email about this. I have given you my conditions which you agreed to. It was you who told me that you couldn't do it for a week because of your work, I am ready from Monday midday GMT, as I told you in my email to be interviewed. Do you wish to cancel now you know a bit more about my angle and experience.As for being on trial, feel free to use my name, I hope you reference it properly at the end, with a link to a backed up copy of all your many threads on the topic, so your readers can see that yes, I absolutely have asked you difficult questions, and you have ducked them all. What do you feel I will do to you if I find you guilty of judging a man on circumstantial evidence? Palpet and Flynn 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lammy Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 I just wanted to watch Game of Thrones tonight but now this is just... Ed_David and Christina Ava 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 As I could write before in the first page of the other thread, any story has always two sides, hence two versions. So, how can anyone forget it?An opinion, any judgement requires solid information to the least detail as far as possible. Not only based on a party of the equation. That's why Courts can be not enough sometimes but they're still the best forum for. Granted their procedures in the sense to protect consensual values and the best method way to reach the goal of equity, an immeasurable truth.To listen everyone in such serious case, able to kill the reputation of a professional with a life and career made, is fully mandatory.It is a relief to all Philip's internet followers to have the chance to see him to start to react to this sad story... with facts thrown to the table. Even though painly from his private life, I believe. Worthy to be protected side by side to any other 'personality right/asset' such as those claimed by a victim of domestic abuse. Therefore his silence as his first reaction, I guess.Justice is not property of only one side. And should never be hostage of the virtual world, because there's a real world out there where fairness can trade places from a distorted narrative to serve an agenda, if so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_David Posted April 13, 2015 Author Share Posted April 13, 2015 As I could write before in the first page of the other thread, any story has always two sides, hence two versions. So, how can anyone forget it?An opinion, any judgement requires solid information to the least detail as far as possible. Not only based on a party of the equation. That's why Courts can be not enough sometimes but they're still the best forum for. Granted their procedures in the sense to protect consensual values and the best method way to reach the goal of equity, an immeasurable truth.To listen everyone in such serious case, able to kill the reputation of a professional with a life and career made, is fully mandatory.It is a relief to all Philip's internet followers to have the chance to see him to start to react to this sad story... with facts thrown to the table. Even though painly from his private life, I believe. Worthy to be protected side by side to any other 'personality right/asset' such as those claimed by a victim of domestic abuse. Therefore his silence as his first reaction, I guess.Justice is not property of only one side. And should never be hostage of the virtual world, because there's a real world out there where fairness can trade places from a distorted narrative to serve an agenda, if so. Stories don't have two sides - they have thousands of sides.I have all the evidence I need to make a conclusion just as all of you have this as well. As I stated before, I am a reactionary person and I trust my gut. My gut tells me to believe his ex girlfriends over his own testimony.Am I a criminal psychologist with mountains of books and studying behind me? No, I'm just a filmmaker and cinematographer. Just another person. Just one voice and one opinion. Does that mean I don't have the credentials to have an opinion? Unfortunately I don't believe in credentials meaning much. I have a friend from college who is incredibly book smart but lacks emotional intelligence. This does not always make her the best source to talk to about certain issues. One of the smartest people I interviewed on a doc about racism and mass transit in Atlanta was a homeless man. He knew more about how to possibly remedy the problem than about 4 different professors I had interviewed.I spent 8 years in school studying French, and I can't hold a single conversation with anyone in French. I'm glad you have books - it is good to have good access to an understanding of psychology and criminal psychology but this is also a cultural issue and philosophical. It's a wide ranging issue. And as this thread is about, it's not about Philip so much for me anymore, it's about how all of you react to A) charges of domestic abuse and also a person coming on this forum asking a filmmaking forum to take a stand, not just "wait for more information to come in when there probably will be no more information coming in." That is why I started a 2nd thread.The third thread will talk about how you guys treated me from the 2nd thread. But really, I'm not going to do that. Because of 2 direct messages I received from two of you that showed the empathy I wanted to find.With this empathy that was displayed privately now I feel good. I know that behind it all, everyone is a decent person. Even Philip Bloom if he did physically and mentally abuse these women. He can become a good person if he admits at least to himself to his problems and finds a way to not repeat his actions. To love himself or meditate or just seek help about it.He has done something terrible, but Sara did not commit suicide as she wrote about thinking of doing ( read her google + post). She is still alive and turned her life around. This is a positive story, perhaps. And I hope I never have to read any other person in our community committing said acts again. Or I will respond again, until one day I don't have to "become the cop and jury" as you guys said.I will forever answer any questions you have about my character, I am fine with that. I am at peace with my friends and lovers and other human beings, but more importantly myself. I no longer hate myself. That was the most important change I made in the past two years. And if Philip hates himself, I hope that he learns to stop. That we all can forgive everyone, including ourselves, which maybe the hardest thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Stories don't have two sides - they have thousands of sides.(...)True. Interests too. But, not a conflict between a couple. Or a conflict between a couple in the proper place outside the private walls when necessary: the Courts. Only public piazza can mean it. Or subplots inside the main plot of a couple relationship. And where there is more than two, it doesn't fit the number two inside anymore. As same, "the number two" stops to make sense when more angles outside the facts are added and that's not their business to even be inside them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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