andrgl Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Ninja 2Cost: USD$395 (reduced from $695)Input: HDMIDisplay: 4.3” 800x480Records: 1080p30 10-bit 4:2:2Full list of technical specifications. Video AssistCost: USD$495Input: HDMI and SDIDisplay: 5.0” 1920x1080Records: 1080p60 10-bit 4:2:2Full list of technical specifications. Samurai/Ninja BladeCost: USD$795 (reduced from $995)Input: HDMI or SDI (not both)Display: 5.0” 1280x720Records: 1080p30 10-bit 4:2:2Samurai technical specifications.Ninja technical specifications. Price Drop Source: News Shooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrgl Posted April 14, 2015 Author Share Posted April 14, 2015 Ugly, ugly post. Here's a clean table: Christina Ava, dahlfors, JazzBox and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 So on paper BlackMagic beats Atomos hands down. Has anyone seen the Video Assist in real life? The specifications says it has a viewing angle of 135 degrees, which would suggest it uses a TN panel. That would be a mayor disadvantage for monitoring if true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagnje Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 It can't be much worse than Atomos...monitors on those suck big time. It's a nightmare to pull focus with those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I don't know.. Atomos uses IPS. TN is really horrible compared to that. I can't imagine BlackMagic using a TN screen on this though. Even the cheap $80 tablets from China come with IPS screens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrgl Posted April 14, 2015 Author Share Posted April 14, 2015 Yeah, I was unable to determine screen technologies. If anyone has a link to that, please share. I also added storage media. Forgot about it and it makes a huge difference. I actually would've preferred a SSD/HDD slot but I imagine most of you like the memory cards. Edit: Also added battery mount types. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ade towell Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 the ninja 2 is a rubbish monitor, blade is alright Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldolega Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Yea I think Atomos has a bit of a target on their back in this space. The Video Assist looks to really spank everything from Atomos up to the Shogun. And in the Shogun space the new Video Devices recorders and the new Oddyssey are arguably better choices.The screen is probably an off-the-shelf smartphone panel, so I would think IPS. Do they make TN phones at this res?If we get 1080p60/10-bit/4:2:2 to SD cards and a 1080p screen for $500, what would a big brother to this look like (hopefully only bigger in capabilities, not size)? 4K at 60p to cFast or SSD at... $1200? $1500? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sqm Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 In a video at nofilmshool the Atomos guy said, it automaticly downscales 4k to 1080p!Does this mean you can use the 4k of the a7s ? just looking for the 4k detail, not the crop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
froess Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 the blackmagic one does that too, downscales 4k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sqm Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 In a video at nofilmshool the Atomos guy said, it automaticly downscales 4k to 1080p!Does this mean you can use the 4k of the a7s ? just looking for the 4k detail, not the crop.the blackmagic one does that too, downscales 4kSorry i meant blackmagic not atomos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
froess Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 not sure if it's possible to downscale directly from the a7s but the monitor has that possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tone1k Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 The Blackmagic video assist wins hands down for its 50/60p capability. I shoot 50p often and the atomos recorders just can't handle it. I'm really hoping the BM uses an IPS. I can't go back to TN. Blackmagic say it's the same screen as the one on the ursa mini. Surely they would use a decent screen on that camera? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted April 15, 2015 Administrators Share Posted April 15, 2015 Ugly, ugly post. Here's a clean table:That's genuinely impressive. Let's see how it performs in the real-world but looks good. How DO Blackmagic do the prices they do!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tone1k Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 That's genuinely impressive. Let's see how it performs in the real-world but looks good. How DO Blackmagic do the prices they do!?Until now they have done it by releasing products that were not finished and with tons of bugs. Let's hope this changes.There is no mention in the specs of the video assist having any monitoring features such as peaking, histogram, scopes etc and for the price it wouldn't surprise me if it doesn't but on their website there is a mock up of the video assist connected to a Canon Dslr and on screen histogram, audio levels and other info being overlaid. So, anyone know if the Video assist has a histogram or peaking functions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brellivids Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Let's do some math.Black Magic video assist.5" 1080p TN screen - 20-50 $electronics (icludes arm cpu) -40-60$connectors + case 10-20 $licences 10-30$manufacturing / assembly - 10$top cost 170$low cost ~100$(does not take into account the financial cost of coding the software for the device) I'm probably not off by much. How can they do it?.. it's all there. I bet the margins on Atomos products are even higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Hughes Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Black magic makes a ton of money on their high-end products, the ones they have been producing since before they started making cameras. They can likely afford to have lower profit margins on the more consumer/prosumer level products. Companies like Atomos don't have that high-end line to rely on so they need to raise the margins to stay profitable. That's my guess at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Stu Maschwitz said the Video Assist screen is the same panel used on the Ursa Mini. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 I sure hope BM adds support for 3D LUTS on the Video Assist. You would think since all of their cameras shoot LOG that it would be a necessity. Nick Hughes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted April 15, 2015 Administrators Share Posted April 15, 2015 Stu Maschwitz said the Video Assist screen is the same panel used on the Ursa Mini.IPS or TN? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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