[manifesto] I simply HATE modern cameras...

[Emanuel]

Who here too?

 

These manufacturers we're used to praise here other than - maybe - a few if any?

(for some reason Blackmagic cameras are a graceful exception with their intuitive user interface)

...are killing the pleasure of photography.

 

This is a science and art born a way before these idiots have been born.

 

We only need three commands to control aperture, shutter speed and sensitivity.

Eventually a SINGLE menu for electronic/feature/recording modes when applicable such as AF, stabilization, etc., and that's it! Full stop.

 

Other than that, go to hell with your bloody menus!

End of story.

 

Users need time for the craft in order to develop creative skills and create stuff, not handling electronics strictly proper of a moron or a geek in the photography world.

Pick one but don't call yourself a shooter.

[zlfan]

7 hours ago, Emanuel said:

Who here too?

 

These manufacturers we're used to praise here other than - maybe - a few if any?

(for some reason Blackmagic cameras are a graceful exception with their intuitive user interface)

...are killing the pleasure of photography.

 

This is a science and art born a way before these idiots have been born.

 

We only need three commands to control aperture, shutter speed and sensitivity.

Eventually a SINGLE menu for electronic/feature/recording modes when applicable such as AF, stabilization, etc., and that's it! Full stop.

 

Other than that, go to hell with your bloody menus!

End of story.

 

Users need time for the craft in order to develop creative skills and create stuff, not handling electronics strictly proper of a moron or a geek in the photography world.

Pick one but don't call yourself a shooter.

sony, I hear you. hidden menu, sometimes three layers, yes, you. f5. 

[ntblowz]

8 hours ago, Emanuel said:

Who here too?

 

Says the guy who research a lot of cameras 😆 

I am definitely keen to try filming in super 8 though, should be simple compare to modern camera? Just the film is expensive to buy and develop and only 3 min for each roll.

[Emanuel]

Camera design with no shooting experience as primary background is pure nonsense. This venture is not for geeks.

- EAG

[Mr. Freeze]

Even the Menu structure of the OG BMCC was great.

But yeah, I agree. Cameras that are marketed as cine cameras or cine cameras for the ambitioned con-/pro-sumer should offer some sort of video-menu-mode with a reduced structure and only relevant settings. As much as I like the VLOG-Files from my S1, the Menu is bloated when it´s being used primarily as a video-camera. 

[MrSMW]

I have near zero issues with any menu.

Some take more learning than others and after you have your settings, how often do you use the things?

Lumix are better than Sony I think and Nikon’s are pretty decent as were Fuji’s and the Leica and Hasselblad’s look excellent.

But ultimately, as above, I hardly use menus other than before a job reformatting cards etc.

I do like and use custom buttons though and have 3 settings on my video units; indoor, outdoor and ‘gimbal-like’.

For my sole photo unit, also 3; uncompressed raw, compressed and APSC crop.

For anything else, each camera has a single page quick menu for pretty much everything including; IBIS, WB, ISO, etc…

Nah, menus aren’t that big a deal!

[Ilkka Nissila]

58 minutes ago, MrSMW said:

I have near zero issues with any menu.

Some take more learning than others and after you have your settings, how often do you use the things?

If you rent equipment, or if you sometimes use the employer's equipment that is also used by others, I would imagine it can be a frequent problem. Certainly going from Nikon (my own equipment) to Olympus, Panasonic or Fuji can take some time to get everything set up properly and this is (kind of) an unnecessary complexity. The more rarely you use a particular type of gear, the more difficult it can be to remember the thinking behind each make and model. The manufacturers try to make switching difficult and staying within-brand easy (as a part of vendor lock-in) and so the nomenclature and menus evolve in different directions in each brand compared to others. Which brand of camera is used for a task may not be in the operator's control.

[herein2020]

 

2 hours ago, MrSMW said:

I have near zero issues with any menu.

Some take more learning than others and after you have your settings, how often do you use the things?

Lumix are better than Sony I think and Nikon’s are pretty decent as were Fuji’s and the Leica and Hasselblad’s look excellent.

But ultimately, as above, I hardly use menus other than before a job reformatting cards etc.

I do like and use custom buttons though and have 3 settings on my video units; indoor, outdoor and ‘gimbal-like’.

For my sole photo unit, also 3; uncompressed raw, compressed and APSC crop.

For anything else, each camera has a single page quick menu for pretty much everything including; IBIS, WB, ISO, etc…

Nah, menus aren’t that big a deal!

I don't have a problem with modern menus either because I only use a single menu...the Favorites menu and within there I typically only have 4 settings....resolution/compression, crop mode on/off, sound recording settings, and image search filters (for when I need to shoot a specific minimum number of photos/video clips for a client).

ISO, Shutter, Aperture, and WB are all accessible via buttons. For photos I don't use any menus and instead have mapped eye AF to the back button AF and crosshair servo AF to the half press of the shutter button. 

I do take the time to learn the rest of the menus just in case a setting accidentally gets changed.

[MrSMW]

8 hours ago, Ilkka Nissila said:

If you rent equipment, or if you sometimes use the employer's equipment that is also used by others, I would imagine it can be a frequent problem.

Fair point.

Which is one reason I really do not like changing kit…though I have ‘had’ to for years until recently, as I much prefer familiarity so the tools can largely get out of the way.

I was only thinking just today how my main stills camera of just a couple of months, now feels very familiar.

But for those having to rent, then yes, I can see how menus could be a real PITA.

[Emanuel]

4 hours ago, MrSMW said:

Fair point.

Which is one reason I really do not like changing kit…though I have ‘had’ to for years until recently, as I much prefer familiarity so the tools can largely get out of the way.

I was only thinking just today how my main stills camera of just a couple of months, now feels very familiar.

But for those having to rent, then yes, I can see how menus could be a real PITA.

And for those who have multiple camera ecosystems...

I usually take with me several camera brands with me, so.

 

11 hours ago, herein2020 said:

I do take the time to learn the rest of the menus just in case a setting accidentally gets changed.

Menus are an unnecessary distraction.

 

I understand there are distinct footprints of demanding, of course.

We cannot compare certain work addressed to big screen with that content made for YT, for example.

 

But.

 

For a certain level?

Time makes a whole of a difference.

Means a loss somewhere else.

- EAG

[MrSMW]

6 hours ago, Emanuel said:

And for those who have multiple camera ecosystems...

I usually take with me several camera brands with me, so.

I work with multiple camera systems on every job; Sony, Lumix and DJI.

Plus lenses that zoom in different directions; Sigma and Tamron, though I think I can change the direction of the Tamron’s with software but not done that yet.

I’m also my own sound and light engineer. Proper multi-tasker me 😜

[Emanuel]

Horses for courses...

I bet it works for what you're doing but not for every kind of gigs or outcome for sure.

As above-mentioned, many distinct realms for camera work.

[Xavier Plagaro Mussard]

On 8/27/2024 at 1:50 AM, Emanuel said:

Menus are an unnecessary distraction.

I totally agree. I have a Fuji X-T3, I don't record often, each time is a PITA. I am invested in lenses, otherwise I would buy Blackmagic Cameras which are the real alternative to all those japanese no sense menus!