S1HII Late 2024

[SRV1981]

 

[BTM_Pix]

[MrSMW]

Late ‘24 would be perfect for me as my season would be over and that would mean 4+ months to consider prior to my ‘25 season.

I miss my S1H but to be fair it’s been in a B cam role since the S5ii came out for reasons of autofocus.

[Davide DB]

When I feel sad, to cheer myself up I always go and read the comments on Andrea's rumors sites. 

Some people have been eating peyote. Random comment:

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Look at the GH7's HIGHLY secretive sensor design...............

even BEATS several current full frame camera sensors!! Who developed this sensor? Where is the fab? ............

all this is a mystery that Panasonic isn't disclosing to anybody....... 

What effect will this technique have on full frame sensors?.......

We sure as Hell know what ARRI is doing with their 16 stop Super-35 chip and dual gain conversion readout!!!......

who has the patent on this readout? Who's developed the GH7 chip? Who is the fab for it? Nuvoton? Omnivision? Can Panasonic resell that chip to DJI or other companies?

..............the questions are endless with this mystery chip. I think it's the best kept secret in the industry.

 

[MrSMW]

I want to believe.

[Snowfun]

19 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

The all new Panasonic Pope?

Not convinced that an appeal to faith over reason will continue to sway the “S” believers…

[MrSMW]

Liar liar, overheating Canon R5 user's house on fire.

[Andrew Reid]

On 8/27/2024 at 9:32 PM, Davide DB said:

When I feel sad, to cheer myself up I always go and read the comments on Andrea's rumors sites. 

Panasonic GH7 sensor = On-semi?

(ARRI Alexa 35 = On-semi)

Perhaps there's a move to On-semi away from Sony for the full frame cameras.

That's the good excuse for the delay.

The bad excuse for the delay is that they ain't coming at all... But until the white smoke rises from the Tuscany villa, who am I to say? 🙂

[MrSMW]

2 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

The bad excuse for the delay is that they ain't coming at all...

Shhh, don’t want to hear that…

Actually, it would not be the end of the world, at least my world, if they never made another FF camera because the S5ii does all I need it to do and arguably, could see out my working life with them.

I think it’s unlikely though. The S5ii has been and is pretty popular, at least on MeTube…but not sure if that has any relation to actual sales, but you mostly only come across praise.

So I would be highly surprised if there wasn’t and Lumix are not like Sony and bang out new cameras every year and how long did it take for both the GH6 and GH7 to appear?!

I have faith something FF is coming, but slightly surprised no 1/2 price SL3 which is slightly concerning…

I don’t ‘need’ a S2H or an S2R, but might want one…or both, and the world will just be a better place with them in it regardless 💫

[Andrew Reid]

S1R II and S1H II are in doubt as originals didn't sell.

S1 II is also problematic as the S5 II has taken over as the mid-range / entry level FF model... Not the S9 so much as that is a different form factor type and has no EVF.

Various Pana cameras of late have been impacted by severe cost cutting. The S9 feels hollow and cheap, because it is. And it has a very old sensor in it. The G9 II malarky with the same case as S5 II was a pity. The GH7 in EXACT same casing as the previous GH camera... Although the GH3 and GH4 were very similar, it does show Panasonic cutting back.

Leica SL3 coming out before the new Panasonic cameras is also a sign that things aren't well.

I hope they prove me wrong.

[MrSMW]

Yes, the S5ii I think has very much claimed the place of the S1.

The S9 is a bit…well not very robust in terms of feel compared with the S5ii.

The G9ii using the same body I kind of got and made sense.

No S2R 6 months after the SL3 makes me think what was all that L3 alliance bollocks then because to the best of my knowledge, other than if Panasonic gifted Leica some video tech, it was a one way street.

Maybe the delay (not that anything has been announced so nothing official anyway) is a bad sign…or maybe it’s a good sign…

Fingers crossed though as Lumix were just beginning to get some traction.

Their two biggest problems IMO have always been:

A. Too slow to market (with limited official announcements) and

B. Limited if not absolute piss poor marketing.

As with so many companies, maybe there’s an element of ‘chicken and egg’ going on in that they haven’t, or more likely choose, not to spend enough on marketing, but then sales are poor?

It’s not enough simply to be the best. There needs to be hype or you might as well not exist and someone else (Sony) WILL be eating your lunch.

Or maybe next week, they will announce the greatest product line ever…

[KnightsFan]

Imo we've plateaued in what a camera can deliver, and I would prefer companies start looking at ecosystems instead of specs. There are so many ways we can creatively apply modern technology. And I'm not talking about AI or any of that crap, I just mean quality of life improvements.

Look at Samyang's Cine AF lenses. I haven't used them so I don't know about their image or build quality (they are suspiciously cheap...), but the innovation of switching between normal fly-by-wire AF in a tiny form factor, and then popping a front piece on and having proper hard stops and a 300 degree throw is amazing. Imagine putting a wireless receiver in a front piece for a follow focus without a gear or rails or rigging. There's no reason that approach can't be used for expensive, high quality lenses. There's also no reason that can't be done completely in body either by companies that create both bodies and lenses.

Panasonic has my respect for putting 32 bit into an XLR adapter for sure. They should make one that also has a wireless receiver and digital transmission of that recording from an XLR or lav module. Synced, clipless, wireless audio directly in the video file would be amazing.

Obviously everyone talks about NDs. I don' think there's room in a FF hybrid to fit an ND module with a clear option.

One thing that was an eye opener when I owned a Z Cam was how good their app was and how much I relied on it. Wireless low latency monitoring and control with no extra boxes or batteries. It's sort of unbelievable that they are the only camera company that nailed their app.

 

None of those suggestions are all that difficult. None require any technological innovation. But I would personally find those much more useful than incremental AF or dynamic range improvements past the excellent offerings we already have.

[Ninpo33]

4 hours ago, KnightsFan said:

Imo we've plateaued in what a camera can deliver, and I would prefer companies start looking at ecosystems instead of specs. There are so many ways we can creatively apply modern technology. And I'm not talking about AI or any of that crap, I just mean quality of life improvements

None of those suggestions are all that difficult. None require any technological innovation. But I would personally find those much more useful than incremental AF or dynamic range improvements past the excellent offerings we already have.

I agree. There's also rumor that DJI might be bringing out another new camera soon. That could be interesting iif it incorporates a lot of the existing tech that they have already out in the field. Wireless audio built directly into the camera using their LAV transmitters, All of their gimbal tech and stability control, Wireless streaming etc...

Could really be a game changer if they can get it right. 

[Al Dolega]

11 hours ago, KnightsFan said:

Panasonic has my respect for putting 32 bit into an XLR adapter for sure. They should make one that also has a wireless receiver and digital transmission of that recording from an XLR or lav module. Synced, clipless, wireless audio directly in the video file would be amazing.

Obviously everyone talks about NDs. I don' think there's room in a FF hybrid to fit an ND module with a clear option.

Built-in wireless would be really slick, especially if they open-sourced or affordably-licensed the protocol so the aftermarket could make alternative transmitters that pair right up.

I wonder if the change in back focus from having a single eND pane that flips out of the way (so no clear filter at all) would really be that severe? Might make cramming it into a photo-ish body more feasible if not. I don't remember if the drawings for their patent showed one pane or two.

Seems like they'd have to lose the mechanical shutter either way. I would be bummed if photo capabilities get stuck with bad rolling shutter artifacting.

[KnightsFan]

10 hours ago, Ninpo33 said:

I agree. There's also rumor that DJI might be bringing out another new camera soon. That could be interesting iif it incorporates a lot of the existing tech that they have already out in the field. Wireless audio built directly into the camera using their LAV transmitters, All of their gimbal tech and stability control, Wireless streaming etc...

Could really be a game changer if they can get it right. 

I saw that rumor a while ago and forgot about it. That's definitely one to keep an eye on. The Ronin 4D is such a creative product.

2 hours ago, Al Dolega said:

I wonder if the change in back focus from having a single eND pane that flips out of the way (so no clear filter at all) would really be that severe? Might make cramming it into a photo-ish body more feasible if not. I don't remember if the drawings for their patent showed one pane or two.

Seems like they'd have to lose the mechanical shutter either way. I would be bummed if photo capabilities get stuck with bad rolling shutter artifacting.

Wide lenses are very sensitive to back focus changes, I'm skeptical it would work to not have a clear option.

Hopefully mechanical shutters are on the way out anyway, with sensors readouts increasing in speed. It may be another couple generations before we're there though.

[eatstoomuchjam]

12 hours ago, Al Dolega said:

I wonder if the change in back focus from having a single eND pane that flips out of the way (so no clear filter at all) would really be that severe

It's not just back focus, but focus itself.  If the FFD is right with the glass in place, removing the glass will remove your ability to focus to infinity.  That's what happens if you take the glass out of either of the inline filter holders that I have here.