Ninpo33 Posted September 5 Author Share Posted September 5 5 hours ago, KnightsFan said: I'm not talking about hybrids. Considering used prices for all models referenced, C70's, Komodos, and 4.6K G2's are considerably cheaper than 4D 6K's. C300 MkIII's are slightly cheaper. Z Cam F6 (which imo is a similar kind of good-but-not-great-image) is a fraction of the cost, and that one in particular is high value since it includes wireless monitoring and control. I do disagree that after rigging it "won't be as modular," since I think it's more straightforward to rig a Komodo on a gimbal than it is to rig a Ronin 4D on a traditional tripod setup with heavy lenses and matte box. Why would you not include hybrids? You’re comparing image quality for price aren’t you? A rigged out hybrid might get you a better image that you don’t consider as “meh” LOL. Honestly, my same buddy I mentioned before has used the DJI on a bunch of commercial shoots for Samsung and I bet you wouldn’t even be able to tell the difference while watching one of those spots on TV. And again, why even make the comparison between the other cameras you mention? Like what’s the point of comparing bottom level pro-ish mostly Super 35 Sensor cameras around the same price point that don’t even offer full frame, similar specs or features? If you buy a used C70 or C300 etc… and add LiDAR, a gimbal that can do Z Axis, handle controls, wireless transmitting etc…(close to $3,500) you’re close to $10k. Also on the DJI factor in pro res raw internal, 6k 60p external recording to SSD’s over USB-C and Full frame be Super 35 options. As far as modular, I meant that the head comes off to be able to act as a pole camera/Jib arm with the flex unit or fit between small spaces, etc… that’s something the other cameras you mention don’t even have the ability to do. Again, why a smaller hybrid mirrorless camera with IBIS comes in handy. You’re entitled to your opinion of course but I just think your comparisons are kind of all over the place. And I guess as you said, it’s not a camera for your use case so in the end it doesn’t even really matter. Just curios, what is it about the footage from the 4D that you can identify as being “meh”? Specifically, compared to a C300mkii or Komodo? IronFilm and Juank 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightsFan Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 @Ninpo33 What exactly is your point? Is it that the DJI Ronin 4D is a good camera for me, individually (responding to my 2nd post here)? Or are you saying that DJI should market and sell a hybrid primarily on image quality instead of their cool focus and wireless tech (responding to my first post)? Because all I'm saying is that I consider as many options as I can with the info I have, and that the Ronin 4D is not among the top viable choices that I have for the projects that I am writing. My group and I discuss every option, from renting an Alexa 35, to buying a 4D, to getting a ton of mirrorless cameras and saving time by shooting multicam. Hybrids are on the table, but generally lower than a Ronin 4D in terms of pros/cons. I'm only saying what makes sense for my wallet and projects, which I don't think is being unnecessarily skeptical nor am I disrespecting people who use DJI cameras. Outside of my personal purchasing, I don't believe that the wider film community currently flocks to DJI as a leader in "color science" in the numbers that rally to "Canon color" or "Nikon color." So my opinion is that a DJI-brand photo camera will gain more traction if they include and advertise innovative accessories, rather than their image quality. Specifically regarding the video that you shared, I do find it a bit monotone and flat colored for my taste, which can obviously be grading. But like I said, the nuance is not whether the image is "good" its "how good" vs. the competition vs. ease of use (in many scenarios) vs. cost vs. upgradeability. 1 hour ago, Ninpo33 said: You’re entitled to your opinion of course but I just think your comparisons are kind of all over the place. And I guess as you said, it’s not a camera for your use case so in the end it doesn’t even really matter. My comparisons are all over the place because I try to consider every angle, and I don't have the money to do all of them! It's like deciding whether to hire a CGI artist, or a craftsman to build a miniature, or plane tickets to shoot on location. Totally different options with almost incomparable pros and cons, but ultimately they have to be compared. Ninpo33 and IronFilm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninpo33 Posted September 5 Author Share Posted September 5 1 hour ago, KnightsFan said: @Ninpo33 What exactly is your point? If after all my lengthy replies and examples you don’t get my point I think we’re done here. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted September 5 Super Members Share Posted September 5 Well, this is the camera that DJI have announced today. Not quite sure it fits into the the mirrorless disruptor category although it does look like it can fit in your pocket. Ninpo33 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eatstoomuchjam Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 Oh, finally... a drone with a microphone. 🤣 I'm not sure about fitting in the pocket - I can find no reference to it folding and see no indication in pictures that it could. If anything, I'd be worried that it'd catch on and become the next backpack-attached bluetooth speaker in terms of nuisances when hiking at parks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Sewell Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 11 minutes ago, eatstoomuchjam said: I'm not sure about fitting in the pocket Potato Jet just about managed to get it in his cargo pants pocket. It looks like fun, but the image and camera control is meh. Very much a consumer item. Although I think a larger version with the sam - frankly rather amazing - autonomous capabilities could be very interesting for one-man docos etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eatstoomuchjam Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 3 hours ago, Tim Sewell said: Potato Jet just about managed to get it in his cargo pants pocket. Ah, sure. If we just make the pockets bigger, it will easily fit. If that's the case, my Mavic 3 Pro is also "pocketable." 😉 Tim Sewell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted September 5 Super Members Share Posted September 5 It certainly is for Matt Granger and his unfeasibly large shorts. He'd have had a good shot at getting a Phantom 4 in them. eatstoomuchjam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted September 5 Super Members Share Posted September 5 By the by, I wouldn't say this is particularly stretching the definition of pocketable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 11 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said: Matt Granger and his unfeasibly large shorts I’m sure he was a character from Viz back in the day? Fnarr. Thpriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eatstoomuchjam Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 49 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said: He'd have had a good shot at getting a Phantom 4 in them. Excuse me, is that a 10-year old drone in your pocket or... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt3rs Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 I like Dji products and Dji Neo is a cool idea but this time with a terrible camera, calling that a 4k camera it is dishonesty, it looks worse than Insta360 X2 reframed.... max 720p.... They should have made it a 350 USD and put the Mini 2 camera or similar... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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