ArashM Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 5 hours ago, KnightsFan said: Since many people already own usb c cables, packing a new one with every gadget results in a lot of waste. The reasoning is that not including a cable and charger with every product will both save millions of cables from being thrown out, and save a lot of packaging material since the box can be smaller. When people need cables they can buy one separately. I personally think it's great to standardize cables and not include them by default. I see, fair, Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 The cables I get. The lack of a dedicated battery charger annoys me. I can’t plug in my cameras whilst working. But I am probably a minority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted October 12 Author Super Members Share Posted October 12 Call me cynical but as the S5 already charged over USB then they could simply have removed the charger from the boxes to become compliant rather than make a whole “new” camera for a specific region. After all, the changes come in at the end of 2024 and it’s not as if the original S5 was going to have much of a life beyond that anyway as a new product. They could also make additional money by selling the chargers separately. I know that no manufacturer is going to say “we’ve got shitloads of these in a warehouse and need to get shut of them” but this stretches creativity in spinning that situation very thin. Also, the famously absolutely NOT part of the EU anymore UK government has previously stated that it wouldn’t align itself to this particular EU directive. Mind you, they say a lot of things. My conspiracy theory is that they took a production run of the old box camera and a production run of the S5ii and swapped the internals to make the new box camera and whatever the hell this is on the basis it would be easier to clear stock of a “new” S5 than the old box camera. I’m only kidding of course but it makes about as much sense as their given reason. Davide DB and John Matthews 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Matthews Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 With the S5D, it was a similar situation to the G100D (notice the "D"). Both needed some sort of compliance with EU rules and both probably had significant stock left- too much to simply write it off. So yes, they're finding a way to make money with them. The other point is that the S5 has arguably better image quality over the S5ii due to less processing. I've never been able to verify that, but others say so. Lastly, it should be noted that I'm eating my own words in that Panasonic issued a recall on their latest firmware update to the S9. No one understand exactly what was going on, but it was enough to temporarily stop the rollout. The S5ii isn't affected apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Genheimer Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 I feel like anyone using the IMX410 may have had to sign up for a minimum purchase quota, and now everyone is finding ways to use them up… worst off being Panasonic. They use them in a LOT of bodies, but then, BMD uses it in several also, and I can’t help but feel the choice of IMX410 for Pyxis was more than just a spec decision. It’s like someone needs the IMX410 to *move.* Perhaps Sony themselves just have too many and are selling them at great discount now… or something. IDK. It feels like this is the “last breath” of the IMX410 across the entire market, and there won’t be any new cameras using that sensor. We’ll see in the next ~12 months of inevitable announcements wether or not I’m right or not. I am curious to see detailed comparisons between the S1H and Pyxis implementations, as I like the Pyxis ergonomically, but I think it is very hard to beat out the S1H’s OLPF, and the better noise performance thanks to the autofocus tech. Im hopeful in two things: the Varicam people folding into LUMIX, and the Arri connection. If the Varicam personnel also get working with Arri people, we have a chance of seeing properly and carefully tuned Arri Log-C on an affordable-ish camera. Ninpo33 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Dolega Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 Agreed that it seems this will be the last round of IMX410-sensored cameras, in a year or two the rolling shutter and framerate performance will just be so far behind the competition that it seems it wouldn't be worth it. Maybe on some super-budget model. BMCC6K and Pyxis have an OLPF don't they? That was the only tempting aspect of those cams for me. When the S5ii/X was teased I hoped that they would have figured out a way to get a FF 60fps, >1080p mode out of the IMX410. We know it can't do 4K/UHD at 60p but I think a 2.5K or 2.8K or 3K mode would have made the camera much more competitive, even if it had to use some binning and wasn't absolutely pristine quality. I wouldn't expect any of the other Japanese companies to consider this as it would be a "weird" resolution, but Panasonic already does open gate, 5.8K, 6K, etc so I don't think they'd have any of those reservations. Hopefully they did try and it's just a hardware restriction. Thpriest, Ninpo33 and Juank 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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