John Matthews Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 1 hour ago, MrSMW said: If anyone wishes to buy one for a very reasonable price, I have a spare 20-60. A battery grip also. About to offload some kit to MPB. EU only! The 20-60 is a awesome lens. It's one that really "makes the system". Wide angle at 20mm was VERY difficult to find; now, it's commonplace. This lens basically means you don't have to get a wide angle because the kit lens will do it! I already have one. Sorry. Thpriest, newfoundmass and IronFilm 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thpriest Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 2 hours ago, MrSMW said: If anyone wishes to buy one for a very reasonable price, I have a spare 20-60 EU only! I could be interested! How much are you looking for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 1 hour ago, John Matthews said: The 20-60 is a awesome lens. It's one that really "makes the system". Wide angle at 20mm was VERY difficult to find; now, it's commonplace. This lens basically means you don't have to get a wide angle because the kit lens will do it! I already have one. Sorry. It really is. It's the first kit lens that I'll often use professionally and not even bat an eye at the thought of it. It's not just "good for a kit lens" it's a good lens period. Thpriest, IronFilm and John Matthews 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Matthews Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 1 hour ago, newfoundmass said: It really is. It's the first kit lens that I'll often use professionally and not even bat an eye at the thought of it. It's not just "good for a kit lens" it's a good lens period. For sure. It's unique for its focal range and the fact it's got weather sealing. I'm not sure there's another "kit" lens in any system with those 2 features. I don't care that it's a little big for the S9 because it's perfect for the other bodies. I also think it's a better lens than the new 18-40mm, although I've never tried it for myself. Both are great travel options, especially for outside work. IronFilm and Ninpo33 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 1 hour ago, Thpriest said: I could be interested! How much are you looking for it? Message me! Thpriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted October 25 Administrators Share Posted October 25 20-60 is great. Pana have always been an innovator with the small zooms, going back to 14-42mm in GH1 days. Also underrated, on the Sony side is that 28-70 slow kit lens that has been around for ages. The rendering is actually really nice and it weighs literally nothing compared to the latest big buck F2.8 equivalents. IronFilm, John Matthews, PannySVHS and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 It is which is why I am selling/sold one and keeping the other, though that remaining one is moving into a more occasionally used role as it was actually the longer end I was mostly using them at. And a bit short as a result! So I am having a lens jiggle around for next year by adding in something… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thpriest Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 2 hours ago, MrSMW said: So I am having a lens jiggle around for next year by adding in something… Do tell! 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 8 hours ago, Thpriest said: Do tell! 🤔 After running a 4 camera system this year, 3 for video and 1 for stills, I am going back to a 2 for video and 1 for stills in 2025. My pair of static S5ii’s each had a 20-60 with a single 70-200 f4 option. I’m changing that to a single S5ii with the 28-70 from my run & gun unit which I have found too short this year shooting 6k 30p OG compared with 4k 60p cropped last year. That single S5ii unit will have the option of a 20-60 and the 70-200 as required. For my run & gun S5ii, I’m going to pick up the new Sigma 28-105 f2.8 because as above, 70 is often too short plus I don’t really want to ever be swapping lenses on this unit. It’s a slightly bigger lens than I’d ideally like, but still just within my self-imposed 1kg max weight limit and I wish it was internal zooming, but there is no better existing alternative for my needs. I say ‘existing’ because I am still hoping Sigma will pop out a longer version of their recent 28-45mm f1.8 such as a 45-90mm f1.8. If they do that, that is an end game pairing for me and I will immediately switch to that pairing for my run & gun video needs and also another pair in e Mount for my stills needs. Perfect…and I mean PERFECT focal lengths for my needs, internal zooming, size & weight OK. But as things stand, I cannot justify the 28-45 without that other lens 😏 newfoundmass and John Matthews 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thpriest Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 On 10/26/2024 at 7:00 AM, MrSMW said: After running a 4 camera system this year, 3 for video and 1 for stills, I am going back to a 2 for video and 1 for stills in 2025. My pair of static S5ii’s each had a 20-60 with a single 70-200 f4 option. I’m changing that to a single S5ii with the 28-70 from my run & gun unit which I have found too short this year shooting 6k 30p OG compared with 4k 60p cropped last year. That single S5ii unit will have the option of a 20-60 and the 70-200 as required. For my run & gun S5ii, I’m going to pick up the new Sigma 28-105 f2.8 because as above, 70 is often too short plus I don’t really want to ever be swapping lenses on this unit. I'm undecided as to whether 6K 30p or 4K 50p (cropped) is best for weddings. 30p to 25p does give a little bit of almost slomo but it's not really the same as 50p slomo. I'm thinking a Lumix GH5 or G9 with a long compact zoom might be a good option for a second or third ceremony camera. I used my "new" GX80 as a third cam this weekend so I'll see how it cuts with the S5mk2 and S5. I was using it as a wide shot but I saw the potential benefits of M43, mainly the lens size which when lugging a lot of gear about is important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac6000cw Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 38 minutes ago, Thpriest said: I'm thinking a Lumix GH5 or G9 with a long compact zoom might be a good option for a second or third ceremony camera. I used my "new" GX80 as a third cam this weekend so I'll see how it cuts with the S5mk2 and S5. As a G9 owner, note 4k50p/60p recording time is limited to 10 minutes. It's 30 minutes for everything else. G9 is a later design camera than the GH5 with better IBIS and AF (it's also bit larger than the GH5). It can't be powered over USB, but 3rd party dummy battery power adaptors are cheap. IMHO the (oversampled) 1080 50p quality isn't that far behind 4k50p in real world usage (and it can record it in 150Mbps 10-bit 4:2:2), if you need more than 10 minutes continuous recording. The more recent GH5 ii basically combines the best bits of the GH5 and G9. As for the 'long compact zoom', the Pana 14-140mm F3.5-F5.6 is an excellent small and light 'superzoom' if you don't mind the variable aperture. Probably my all round favourite M43 lens. The 'much brighter at the long end' 35-100mm F2.8 is also fairly compact, but has more focus breathing. IronFilm and Thpriest 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 2 hours ago, Thpriest said: I'm undecided as to whether 6K 30p or 4K 50p (cropped) is best for weddings You can make a case for either. Up until this year, I was in the 4k 50p camp, more for the slow mo than anything. This year I switched to 6k 30p for the open gate ability to both punch in and crop vertically for social media in post. Also, because it claws back a stop of light in dimmer conditions, plus there is a resolution/detail bonus which IMO is noticeable at normal viewing resolutions. 6k 30p just looks 'nicer' to my eye and as I don't slow anything by more than 20 or 25% these days, shooting at 50p isn't a necessity for me anymore. Actually, for longer form stuff, I drop down from the 6k 30p OG because of the 30 min recording limit, but for everything else, I think it's a nice sweet spot. I definitely could not go back to 4/3 because I shoot a lot of low light stuff and would need like f1.4 or faster lenses to get parity and those kind of zooms do not exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntblowz Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 On 10/28/2024 at 10:48 PM, MrSMW said: I definitely could not go back to 4/3 because I shoot a lot of low light stuff and would need like f1.4 or faster lenses to get parity and those kind of zooms do not exist. But Pana have the 10-25 and 25-50 1.7 zoom, it is quite nice for sure. My friend got those for his 2 GH6. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 8 hours ago, ntblowz said: But Pana have the 10-25 and 25-50 1.7 zoom, it is quite nice for sure. My friend got those for his 2 GH6. Actually, that's true and forgot about those... OK, on a GH7 I could run that set up...but not over an S5ii set up which is what I have now. 'Sideways' I guess it would be but probably not backwards! IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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