Guest Ebrahim Saadawi Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 https://philipbloom.wetransfer.com/downloads/a0b289036944eefb04de0acf2867cb2120150704223433/30c5c3From Bloom. Let's download (while we can) and discuss the C300 image.He says he mistakenly under-exposed all the footage about a stop but hey it should be 15 stops DR 10bit 4:2:2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Tons of latitude there, but I still think the image looks too digital and not very organic. I'll wait to see more footage though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted July 16, 2015 Administrators Share Posted July 16, 2015 The 1D C has a better image and that is 1/4th the price used so may as well pick that up instead if you want a Canon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ebrahim Saadawi Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 I actually agree, there's something videoy in there, like a digital sharpening effect when coupled with high resolution. The 1DC image has ''zero'' video look in C-Log and looks extremely high-resolved yet actually soft, creamy. This definitely has more latitude than any footage I pushed though, and the colours are so easy to get right with a single luma curve in Vegas, easiest Log there is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richg101 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Tons of latitude there, but I still think the image looks too digital and not very organic. I'll wait to see more footage though.You're seeing the L lenses. Probably the least filmic lenses available. I imagine if there were some cookes on there the image would look less digital. Camera tech no longer matters. it's the lenses that make the difference IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Hughes Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Newshooter testing the C300 II. This video is shot 100% handheld, 100% AF, with only the Canon 35 f/2. An ungraded version (in the older Canon log) is also available to watch. I'm impressed. I can see myself renting this camera a ton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcs Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 The 'Killer App' for the C300.2 is the autofocus with all Canon lenses. Having fast + accurate autofocus is a huge time saver. Canon's color science for skin tones is also excellent. While I've learned to grade the FS700 to look decent for skintones, for the last couple months I've been shooting lots of stills with the 5D3 and really appreciate the excellent skintone quality compared to Sony color science (I'd never use a Sony for stills for a paid shoot (other than perhaps landscape / not skintones)).For pro/paid work the C300.2 is probably worth the extra $8K over the FS7. An excellent comparison would be the C300.2 vs. FS7 where time to color grade skintones is also factored in. Time is money, and over time the extra cost of dealing with funky color science reduces profit. Additionally, there are cases where it's just not possible to get great skintones from Sony color science when one has limited time to color grade. If tests show that the FS7's skintones can hang with the C300.2, that will make the C300.2 less appealing, however Sony's autofocus on Sony lenses doesn't appear to be in the same league as Canon's C300.2 autofocus. Getting great skintones with faces in perfect focus in 4K with little hassle are very strong features with no competition at any price right now.Regarding a video-look: I noticed that too- would expect a different grade to look more cinematic: it's really about lighting and light response+behavior, not lenses and sharpness. An overly sharp image with too much brightness in the mids & highs along with lack of grain makes an image look like video. Provided the highlights aren't clipped, this can be quickly fixed in post (with a preset / LUT (+ grain if desired)).Canon lenses can look very cinematic: 24-105 F4L and 5D3 ML RAW: https://vimeo.com/92437795 jpfilmz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gelaxstudio Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 The 'Killer App' for the C300.2 is the autofocus with all Canon lenses. Take notice of the AF system on C300M2 ，its AF system is only working silently with STM lens，non-STM lens will make annoying noise ，even with USM lens（due to the interal len-motor）Unfortunately there are very few STM lens for users to choose now.Unlike the C300M2， FS7 with all Sony E-mount lens works silently and could use powerzoom on some zoom lens.Moerover ，I think most filmmakers may never using AF ，and AF mostly for documentary films and broadcasting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Second video looks great. Really looking forward to seeing this camera with more cinematic camera movements.Judging it on Bloom's is daft... underexposed on a cloudy day, with location/people walking around like a stock video. Also, Bloom said that he needs to learn the camera settings much better... He probably had sharpness up, by accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 I played with the downloaded footage in Resolve, and believe getting it to look cinematic is pretty easy. There's lots of latitude. I also agree that the AF is the best I have seen yet. The C300 Mk2 is an awesome camera. But... that price? Surely they could have placed it under $10k and still turned a decent profit?Still impressed with the FS7 bang for buck. And we will soon see what the Ursa Mini can do. Good times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sekhar Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 OK, i have a couple of questions for my education, would appreciate your answers:The footage seems to be using only half of the DR (e.g.. nothing above 70%), why would you shoot with such broad DR for scenes that don't demand it? Seems totally wasteful of the precious 10 bits the camera is giving you. Or was it just an exposure mistake?I don't see any detail in the white shirt highs regardless of how I mess with the grade even though everything is maxed out at 70%. Am I missing something? Or is it just a consequence of not using the entire DR as I mentioned above? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ebrahim Saadawi Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 I don't know who convinced Philip to start grading to mimic Instagram's Sierra filter but it's really hideous, destroys all the image personality. He used to grade SO beautifully! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ebrahim Saadawi Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Dan's footage (and bloom's) definitely have marked digital sharpening within the camera (C-LOG & C-LOG2 untouched) that was never in previous C cameras.There's definitely digital sharpening in there, I know it when I see it and it's in Bloom's c-log 2 XF-AVC footage too. Looks like GH4 video images. I really hope this isn't an inherent image-processing look in the C300II, as it instantly makes it miles less filmic than alexa/varicam league cameras. I will preserve judgment though. Perhaps it's user error/choice, but not a good first impression, Bloom specifically hates and turns off sharpening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Do you really enjoy the canon pinkness? TheRenaissanceMan and gelaxstudio 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gh2sound Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 On a side note - chuckling at yet more out of sync stuff @-@ I digress ;p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Do you really enjoy the canon pinkness? I think you mean the pinkish grade or slightly off WB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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