Administrators Andrew Reid Posted December 10 Administrators Share Posted December 10 So the SL2, very nice now it's much more affordable but turns out in my tests so far it's still fucking broken as it doesn't shoot 4K with the original battery and certain lenses... That is, Panasonic 50mm F1.4 S, Sigma MC-21 adapter, erm pretty much everything that isn't from Leica's own L-mount range. So it's quite a serious problem. I thought this was fixed with the new Q3 battery and new firmware updates, and the SL2-S was supposed to work from the outset. Now it seems the problem is more complicated than it appears when you are sold the camera. So I took the SL2 back for a test today at the Berlin store, only to be met with a lot of eye-rolling and a blame game: - Panasonic is to blame, apparently their lenses are faulty! - The customer is to blame, apparently I am an idiot who is using the wrong type of L-mount lenses - The Sigma MC-21 is to blame, and Canon too... For their EF lenses on the official Sigma L-mount adapter are so badly made that the Leica SL2 refuses to even do a burst shoot - And of course as a customer, I am not just to blame but also WRONG! Wrong knowledge, wrong approach, wrong skillset, blah blah blah. So I sent the feckers this link: https://www.eoshd.com/interview/interview-with-stephan-schulz-leica-camera-on-the-sl2-and-filmmaking/ And said, here's my interview with your boss in Wetzlar. Have a read of that... It's the battery's fault. And he said there would be a firmware update to mitigate it, and the battery grip would also be the solution to the fact that the SL2 battery is so shit it can't even power the autofocus motors at the same time as shooting 4K. Needless to say the Leica SL2 is now back at the store, and refunded after much finger pointing. Doesn't make me want to go back there any time soon. When it was run by Meister Camera, this store was a gem https://www.meister-camera.com Now it's run by Leica, what happened? A total change in attitude and staff knowledge. It's a pity they didn't just admit the problem still existed, was Leica's fault and not the customers, and then sold me their spare SL2-S which has better compatibility with the full L-mount ecosystem. I would have left a Leica customer, nevertheless the experience was so shit, even the thought of buying the EOS R5 appeals more than another SL2 now 😉 And that's a bloody flame thrower! eatstoomuchjam and ntblowz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 On the fourth (not) day of Christmas, my dealer said to me, it’s not the SL2 you want but the 3. Or a Canon R5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted December 10 Author Administrators Share Posted December 10 May have to sell the 5 gold rings at this rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eatstoomuchjam Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 The true Leicaman would understand that their cameras shouldn't be dirtied by the abhorrent presence of a third-party lens! You are correct to banish yourself to the shameful world of EOS R5 plebes! (One of the few worthwhile things on KR's site after all these years) https://www.kenrockwell.com/leica/leica-man.htm Ninpo33 and Andrew Reid 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted December 11 Author Administrators Share Posted December 11 2024 Leicaman is the man who doesn't realise he's using a Panasonic. Ninpo33 and eatstoomuchjam 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted December 11 Super Members Share Posted December 11 15 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: And of course as a customer, I am not just to blame but also WRONG! Wrong knowledge, wrong approach, wrong skillset, blah blah blah. I’ve been in a few camera shops over the years….ahem. Across all those times in different shops in different cities and different countries, I have only been treated with that sort of contempt twice. Both times were in Leica stores. It was very much like this.. Thpriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted December 11 Author Administrators Share Posted December 11 At least the waiter doesn't send you a snarky email later in the evening pointing to Leica's terms and conditions on the fucking German website. "We don't guarantee functionality with anything that isn't 5 grand, sorry about that" L-mount alliance... what a mess... The only way it could be a less productive alliance would be if the USSR gets involved! It is a pity Sony closed their store at Potsdamer Platz, as I actually used to enjoy being insulted there 🙂 Once I took my Fuji X-T3 and told them how to make a decent viewfinder. Then went upstairs and meddled with their PS4 BTW these posh stores really should invest in some fucking chairs. The amount of standing up that is required to take their insults is ridiculous and the free coffee can't be enjoyed as there's not even a coffee table I said to the sales woman, how about you get some chairs (in more polite phrasing of course as I am a very calm and polite person) She said sternly with a snarl... There isn't enough room! And proceeded to walk off through the massive open floor space. Emanuel, eatstoomuchjam and BTM_Pix 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted December 11 Super Members Share Posted December 11 Also, whilst we are at it about Leica, the cakes at the cafe at their museum in Wetzlar are dry. Andrew Reid, eatstoomuchjam, Leon Postma and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 19 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said: Also, whilst we are at it about Leica, the cakes at the cafe at their museum in Wetzlar are dry. This is the straw that broke the camels back for me. Japan it is then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted December 11 Super Members Share Posted December 11 To be fair, maybe they gave me the day old ones after looking out of the window and seeing me having the temerity to do this. eatstoomuchjam, Emanuel and ArashM 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 18 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: (...) And that's a bloody flame thrower! The problem with some "workers" is no less the fact they have no idea how to respect the shooter/customer, go figure showing any of it, gratitude included, for valuable-press-asset who actually also makes a brand whatever is. Happens to the best ones too. - EAG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 1 hour ago, BTM_Pix said: To be fair, maybe they gave me the day old ones after looking out of the window and seeing me having the temerity to do this. A Manffrotto, not a Leica? LOL Nice camera BTW ; ) What bloody brand is that? : P A hell of an expensive one, I guess! : D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 @BTM_Pix You need autofocus! LMAO :- ) PS: I could have asked to you instead if "No AF?" up there but Andrew stands the 5-minute limit for new edits... : D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted December 11 Author Administrators Share Posted December 11 3 hours ago, BTM_Pix said: To be fair, maybe they gave me the day old ones after looking out of the window and seeing me having the temerity to do this. First you criticise their cakes, then you shoot video with the Elmarit-R. The purist spirit of Leica has been broken on many layers Is that a helipad behind you or a fountain? Herr Schulz probably designed that fountain as the pump clearly has too little power to run the water at full pressure Ninpo33 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted December 11 Super Members Share Posted December 11 36 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: Is that a helipad behind you or a fountain? The circular shaped piece of concrete ? That the bottom layer of the sponge cake they served me. 37 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: Herr Schulz probably designed that fountain as the pump clearly has too little power to run the water at full pressure And is likely to be incompatible with water from anywhere else. MrSMW 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eatstoomuchjam Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 There are nicer fountains in other places, some of them even doing light and music shows - but there are a bunch of celebrities and dentists who would like to explain to you how the very basic fountain in that photo gets all of the other stuff out of the way so that the observer can really just focus on the true joy of a fountain, moving water. MrSMW and Ninpo33 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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