MrSMW Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 4 hours ago, ArashM said: Personally for me, give me Full frame 4K 60p and I'm in, I preferred my S1H over the S5iiX that I use now! I preferred the body/build of the S1H over my S5II. Easily. All an S2H would need to be for me is FF 6k 60p version of the S5II internals and it’s a done deal for me. If it wasn’t for the less than stellar AF, I’d still have my S1H. 8 hours ago, eatstoomuchjam said: Doesn't the S5 II already have decent PDAF? Decent, but not Sony level stickiness, ie, could be better. John Matthews, Thpriest and ArashM 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Matthews Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 34 minutes ago, MrSMW said: All an S2H would need to be for me is FF 6k 60p version of the S5II internals and it’s a done deal for me. Same for me. I just want the GH6 tilt-up screen functionality. 34 minutes ago, MrSMW said: Decent, but not Sony level stickiness, ie, could be better. It's good enough though. Sony falters too sometimes. The best focus system for me is the one that gives the best manual focus aids without attaching a monitor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninpo33 Posted Tuesday at 02:47 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:47 AM On 1/10/2025 at 10:07 AM, eatstoomuchjam said: S1H II would involve actually doing some real work and if that's where they're going, I'd say it's pretty likely to be a combination of expensive and disappointing for people, mostly because the S5 II is really good. What are they going to add to entice people away from it for another video-centric body? Raw video? 12K? Every one sold includes a golden ticket allowing the user a tour of the Lumix factory and a personal handshake from the CEO? Well the rumors about the SL3-S are starting to heat up and there’s an event on 1/16/2024 that is supposed to offer the details. Maybe we will finally see the roadmap for Leica/Lumix unfolding. Or maybe just Leica? So far things sound underwhelming. https://leicarumors.com/2025/01/13/here-are-the-leica-sl3-s-camera-specifications.aspx/amp/ eatstoomuchjam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted Tuesday at 06:38 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:38 AM Leica will not announce a single thing relating to Lumix on any SL3s launch. Not even a sliver of a sausage. They may make these cryptic LS3 announcements from time to time (not had one for a while I think?) but product or roadmap info? Ha, absolutely no chance! Possibly a missed opportunity, each (not) leveraging each other for marketing purposes but otherwise all members of the L Mount Alliance are independent of each other and seem determined to remain that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted Tuesday at 09:49 AM Administrators Share Posted Tuesday at 09:49 AM Leica have to pretend that their cameras are Leica, not Lumix rebadges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eatstoomuchjam Posted Tuesday at 10:40 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 10:40 AM 7 hours ago, Ninpo33 said: Well the rumors about the SL3-S are starting to heat up and there’s an event on 1/16/2024 that is supposed to offer the details. Maybe we will finally see the roadmap for Leica/Lumix unfolding. Or maybe just Leica? So far things sound underwhelming. Interesting. If the SL3-S uses a newer higher-end sensor than the S5 II, maybe the guts of it could be the foundation of an S1H II. It'd have to be a hell of an upgrade, though, to stand out from the other cameras and their own camera that was released almost 2 years ago. Ninpo33 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted Tuesday at 11:13 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 11:13 AM 25 minutes ago, eatstoomuchjam said: Interesting. If the SL3-S uses a newer higher-end sensor than the S5 II, maybe the guts of it could be the foundation of an S1H II. It'd have to be a hell of an upgrade, though, to stand out from the other cameras and their own camera that was released almost 2 years ago. Do you mean a potential S1HII vs a S5II or SL3-S vs SL2-S? Both are pretty niche aren't they as in 'we' may love the S1H but in terms of global sales next to the likes of the equivalent Sony & Canon options, it's not exactly been a massive seller. Leica is just niche full stop and that is part of their thing, ie, being small (as a company), desirable and expensive whereas LUMIX can't play in that arena. Same as Hassie. They can both play that heritage card even if one of them is owned by DJI. Leica could get away with simply having the SL3 body and the tilt screen over the old SL2 body in order to create an SL3-S. If LUMIX were simply to stick the internals of the S5II in the S1H body, they would be slaughtered. Personally I think that would be a great camera and I'd have one over the S5II but the Armchair YouTube Authorities would destroy it. Other than a handful of LUMIX diehards. Any S1H mk II HAS to be more. What the 'more' is, is the big question... IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted Tuesday at 11:15 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 11:15 AM 1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said: Leica have to pretend that their cameras are Leica, not Lumix rebadges. Exactly and whilst Leica have stuck their brand on LUMIX cameras before (point & shoots mainly), I can't see any scenario where Leica would allow LUMIX to rebrand one of their own bodies such as the SL3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eatstoomuchjam Posted Tuesday at 04:29 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 04:29 PM 5 hours ago, MrSMW said: Do you mean a potential S1HII vs a S5II or SL3-S vs SL2-S? Sorry if I wasn't clear! I meant that since there are rumors about Leica releasing an SL3-S (which would almost certainly have Panasonic guts, just as the SL3 does) and because there are rumors that Panasonic will be releasing two bodies soon (one of which will likely be the S1R II which puts SL3 guts in a Panasonic body), it's not out of the question that whatever is in the SL3-S will be in Panasonic's S1H II. I'd say that Panasonic sales don't meaningfully compete with Leica sales - both are niche companies and Leica is much more the "luxury" brand. However, if Panasonic release an S1H II, it will be competing with their own S5 II which is already really good (not to mention the original S1H which is also really good). The S1H, when released, was like $4k. At almost 2.5x the price of an S5 II and still more than 2x the price of the S5 IIx, an S1H II is going to have to be a hell of a camera to ship more than a few units (assuming the price stays similar). IronFilm and Ninpo33 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted Tuesday at 05:57 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 05:57 PM 1 hour ago, eatstoomuchjam said: an S1H II is going to have to be a hell of a camera to ship more than a few units I think it will need to be a hell of a camera simply to exist…which may explain why we have heard next to nothing about it. If one will ever exist… I’m still not sure about the latter but think it more likely than not and if one ever does appear, probably last chance saloon for them at that level? The ‘S2R’ seems far more likely doesn’t it and ‘should’ be a re-bodied SL3. I have my fingers crossed for that for mid-Spring latest or it won’t work for me this year. Or possibly ever. (Pure business perspective). For video I have needs and they are covered. For photo I have both needs and wants and those are technically also already covered, but I want to have everything within one system ideally. eatstoomuchjam and IronFilm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninpo33 Posted Wednesday at 10:44 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 10:44 PM On 1/13/2025 at 10:38 PM, MrSMW said: Leica will not announce a single thing relating to Lumix on any SL3s launch. Not even a sliver of a sausage. They may make these cryptic LS3 announcements from time to time (not had one for a while I think?) but product or roadmap info? Ha, absolutely no chance! Possibly a missed opportunity, each (not) leveraging each other for marketing purposes but otherwise all members of the L Mount Alliance are independent of each other and seem determined to remain that way. I think you misunderstood my post. I was saying that whatever the SL3-S ends up being at this weeks announcement could give us a clue of what to possibly expect out of the S1H2. Of course Leica isn’t going to mention LUMIX. Ever.. But the normal flow of product releases has been all messed up between the two companies so at this point, who knows… John Matthews, IronFilm and MrSMW 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted Thursday at 07:05 AM Share Posted Thursday at 07:05 AM 8 hours ago, Ninpo33 said: could give us a clue of what to possibly expect out of the S1H2 Ah gotcha. 8 hours ago, Ninpo33 said: But the normal flow of product releases has been all messed up between the two companies so at this point, who knows… They have had a few collabs and I really thought they were moving closer with the ‘LS3’, but if that isn’t still a thing, then it appears to have at least fizzled, another example of LUMIX’s shite marketing. But yes, maybe this imminent announcement will reveal some hints as to what possibly could be, but until LUMIX start blowing their own trumpet… John Matthews 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted yesterday at 12:53 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:53 AM On 1/14/2025 at 7:38 PM, MrSMW said: Leica will not announce a single thing relating to Lumix on any SL3s launch. Not even a sliver of a sausage. They will indeed say nothing about Panasonic. But we all know the SL3S is just going to be a rebadged Lumix camera. That it's relatively easy to reverse engineer the logic to conclude we'll probably see the Panasonic version of the SL3 released six-ish months later. Davide DB and John Matthews 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davide DB Posted 11 hours ago Share Posted 11 hours ago 17 hours ago, IronFilm said: They will indeed say nothing about Panasonic. But we all know the SL3S is just going to be a rebadged Lumix camera. That it's relatively easy to reverse engineer the logic to conclude we'll probably see the Panasonic version of the SL3 released six-ish months later. This means that we will have a DOA camera with no possibility of sale. A Leica SL* in 2024 has reason to exist only because of the logo's appeal to enthusiasts and fanatics around the world. Panasonic has no chance. Sad but true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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