Leica SL3 / SL3-S

[Andrew Reid]

5 hours ago, Django said:

Anyways, the GFX seems like a beast for photography, but for video I kind of wonder if the line-skipped 4K

It's not line-skipped.

Pixel binning is the modern way of subsampling high res sensors.

As for the video rolling shutter and AF tracking, I look at it like this... There are a gazillion options for good AF and good rolling shutter, sometimes you can't get everything perfect in one camera.

The GFX 100's image however is unique - there are not a gazillion options with this image or sensor size.

It's a pleasure to use for certain kinds of video shooting.

You also have the faster rolling shutter of 15ms in 24p 4K on the GFX 100 II if you turn dynamic range priority off. So they have addressed the need for a faster readout on the second model.

I don't consider 26ms too ruinous, the a6500 and NX1 were still usable at 30ms, just not for certain things. At 38ms in 8K on the a7r V, that's when it really starts to be more noticeable for all sorts of stuff.

26ms is closer to the 1080p line skipped 5D Mark II which a lot of nice stuff has been made with in the past.

5 hours ago, Django said:

and lack of AF subject tracking makes it such a good hybrid solution versus lets say a Z8/Z9 that can adapt all kind of glass including Leica with AF using the techartpro adapter.. with up to 8K60p resolution.

Z8 is a great hybrid, no doubt about it, but it isn't the same sort of tool.

A 50mm F1.8 looks very normal on full frame, whereas on the GFX 100 it takes on an other worldly quality like a Leica Noctilux. It's that big a difference.

I would choose the GFX over Z8 for photography any day unless I wanted a sports & wildlife camera with big telephotos.

5 hours ago, Django said:

Obviously GFX100s is still a bargain for photography with 100MP and bigger than FF sensor, just not sure if the video specs are that good..

The video specs are fine, if you can't create something incredible looking with 4K, 10bit, F-LOG, IBIS, and a sensor the size of an ALEXA 65 then god help u all.

[MrSMW]

I need to stop reading about Fuji GFX100 cameras and checking prices on MPB…

[Django]

9 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

I don't consider 26ms too ruinous, the a6500 and NX1 were still usable at 30ms, just not for certain things. At 38ms in 8K on the a7r V, that's when it really starts to be more noticeable for all sorts of stuff.

26ms is closer to the 1080p line skipped 5D Mark II which a lot of nice stuff has been made with in the past.

I'm not saying its unusable just that its a pretty slow readout. Not a surprise due to the sensor size and MP count. Like you say you can't get everything in one camera, always a tradeoff somewhere.

9 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

The video specs are fine, if you can't create something incredible looking with 4K, 10bit, F-LOG, IBIS, and a sensor the size of an ALEXA 65 then god help u all.

Fair point. However AF is going to be an important factor on a sensor with such shallow DoF. Which also brings up what you were saying the other day about the cliche look of large sensor DoF vs crop sensors. 

To balance the video specs and MF look, perhaps pairing a GFX with a XH2S is the ideal combo. GFX for those careful dreamy shots and the XH2S for more dynamic run & gun stuff. Assuming the color science matches that could be a killer combo. Crazy to think you could get those two cameras for the price of a R5ii!

[Fairkid]

Last night this thread got me thinking about the GFX100 again after liking the look of it a few years ago. Today WEX alerted me to their sale and I managed to buy a grade 9 example for £1600 (25% discount code). Couldn't resist that!

[MrSMW]

13 minutes ago, Fairkid said:

£1600

That is NUTS!

[MrSMW]

For that money, if I lived in the UK and could also get that 25% discount, I think I'd jump on one!

But they do not ship to France and I'd be stung for customs duty. Fcuk Brexit 👺

[eatstoomuchjam]

£1600 for a GFX 100 is absolutely bonkers.  Congrats on the great deal!

If you can get a good deal on the GF 100/2, you should strongly consider it.  It's one of my two favorite portrait lenses of all time for any system (the other being the Summicron-M 90mm f/2 asph (which also covers pretty well on GF, just without autofocus)).

[MrSMW]

Actually, it would be worth me crossing the channel on the Eurostar to pick one up!

What/where is that 25% off deal?!

[Fairkid]

It was in their used clear out but it looks like they have all sold.

[Ninpo33]

I also found a deal on one in Japan but the lack of info has me concerned. I’m still thinking about it though. 
 

$1,800 US with a 10% coupon and $25 FedEx shipping. BUT…. That includes a Fringer EF autofocus adapter so it’s really like $1,400 for the GFX 100.

i also really need the small form factor of the 100s or 100ii so I’m still resisting the OG 100 first model. That industrial design is so cool though despite the size. I especially like the look of taking off the EVF and going “headless” 

if anyone has more guts than me here’s a photo. If I drink too much tonight I may end up pushing the buy button. The prices of used 100s models has surprisingly gone back up the last couple of months… I’m wondering if the new cinema camera announcement has people looking for cheap B cam options? That’s definitely my plan. 

*Also, I guess the SL3 thread has been hijacked by GFX talk. I originally was thinking 61mp Sony sensor models for the high res but why mess around when you can go big with a GFX…!!!

 

[eatstoomuchjam]

If you want a GFX 100 series body and plan to use electronic EF lenses, that one seems too good to be true.  If the seller has good feedback that seems legit and relates to other camera stuff, resistance may be futile.

That or roll the dice and try bidding on some 100s's to see if you can nab one under $2k.

[Ninpo33]

5 hours ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

If you want a GFX 100 series body and plan to use electronic EF lenses, that one seems too good to be true.  If the seller has good feedback that seems legit and relates to other camera stuff, resistance may be futile.

That or roll the dice and try bidding on some 100s's to see if you can nab one under $2k.

The feedback is good on the seller but they say the bottom battery grip is discolored and then mention it’s damaged. I don’t know if the damage is the discoloration or something else and since it’s translated from Japanese it’s all a bit hard to discern. I’ve had great luck with used stuff from japan because as a society, people are generally very forthright and take good care of their things. In this case though, I’m going to keep looking for the 100s. 
 

I used to see quite a few for $2,000 but now they’re all at $2,800 or so. Not sure what’s causing the increase but I feel like I’ll just wait till something shows up on my radar. 

[eatstoomuchjam]

Damage to the bottom might be a common thing.  My grip was all beat up when I traded it in.  It also depends on what they mean by damage, but the lock on the grip shutter for mine was really loose.  I think that's also a pretty common problem on the OG 100 if it's seen some real use.  It didn't bug me much since the button was hard to accidentally press, regardless of the lock.

(For all I know, that could be my old camera, though I traded mine in at MPB in the US so it'd be interesting to know how it got to Japan a year later)