Vivo X200 Pro

[Emanuel]

Impressive where we've arrived for instantaneous photography:

 

[Andrew Reid]

Is this the same camera modules including the very impressive mid-tele lens as the X100 Ultra?

A lot of very good stuff is happening, but a lot of it is China only at the moment too.

That's because Samsung and Apple have the Western market dominated in a duopoly and both lag behind the Chinese manufacturers when it comes to the cameras.

[ND64]

That phone camera is cool, but image quality comparison on compressed-to-oblivion platform like YouTube, with 4k maximum resolution, which is only 8MP, and even a crop on that resolution for the sample images, is anything but legit comparison.

BTW, while I love to have 5x optical zoom on my phone, I'm not sure it stays in the market for long time due to complexities it introduces to the whole smartphone manufacturing which has already became too complicated. For example my Chinese smartphone has a motor driven selfie camera. It was the best thing happened by the industry in my opinion. The camera unit is inside the phone when its not used, which is a big plus if you care about privacy (and you want to know when exactly the camera is on. No hacker can see you when the sensor is physically blocked, and you'll notice when an app requests a visual feed), and as a bonus your screen will always be hole/island free. But Chinese abandoned it after one or two generations, and made the upgrade a massive pain for me, since there is that stupid hole on the screen on every new smartphone. Its very hard to come back to that ugliness. They said its a mechanical thing and a point of failure, but mine never failed, even after exactly 5 years of heavy use. Thats Toyota level of reliability in the smartphone world. So my advice is if you see a cool feature, grab the phone and keep it. This market has a giant backyard of abandoned good ideas. The moment they find a cheaper solution to give you a 5x zoom, even with crappier results, they'll ditch the expensive optics. Even if we're talking about $11.5 a unit expensive. 

[eatstoomuchjam]

1 hour ago, ND64 said:

That phone camera is cool, but image quality comparison on compressed-to-oblivion platform like YouTube, with 4k maximum resolution, which is only 8MP, and even a crop on that resolution for the sample images, is anything but legit comparison.

As a counterpoint, if the goal is to deliver content for a streaming platform like YouTube, then such an image quality comparison is fully legit!  😀

[zlfan]

is high tax on chinese high tech products good or bad?

i think in the short term it is good, protecting local high-tech industries. in the long run, not sure about the benefits. maybe the states will come up with something totally new, revolutionize the society, thus lead the world in a clear-cut edge. maybe not. 

[eatstoomuchjam]

35 minutes ago, zlfan said:

is high tax on chinese high tech products good or bad?

Mostly bad.  Tariffs should be wielded like a surgical scalpel, not a bazooka.  The latter leads to widespread inflation.

[Andrew Reid]

He wants a crash to happen to benefit his rich pals.

He won't think twice about upending the economy on a global scale.

Get your nice smartphones now before the next round of inflation hits!

[ND64]

While tariffs make things more expensive, and MAGA crowd is dumb enough to not understand that, its not actually inflation, because inflation is caused by increasing money supply. When money supply is not increased much but some goods become more expensive for whatever reason, shift in purchasing happens. Meaning you stop buying things you were buying before. And that's recession. 

[eatstoomuchjam]

2 hours ago, ND64 said:

inflation is caused by increasing money supply

You are attempting to be technically correct, but no.  Inflation is broadly any increase in prices which isn't accompanied by an increase in wages.

https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/fandd/issues/Series/Back-to-Basics/Inflation

[ND64]

1 hour ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

You are attempting to be technically correct, but no.  Inflation is broadly any increase in prices which isn't accompanied by an increase in wages.

https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/fandd/issues/Series/Back-to-Basics/Inflation

For exactly this wrong definition promoted by institutions like IMF we had to hear ridiculous terms like "transitory inflation" from politicians that wasn't. 

[eatstoomuchjam]

You might also want to have some words with the dummies at Cambridge, Merriam-Webster, and the Bank of England - as well as basically every other search result that you'll get if you google "inflation definition."  You're not successful in your attempts to be technically correct against common usage.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/inflation

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/inflation (note that they at least partially agree with you, but indicate that it's usually do to increase in monetary supply)

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/explainers/what-is-inflation