Google VEO2 AI-created Porsche SPEC AD.

[Ty Harper]

2 hours ago, Evgeniy85 said:

AI will improve forever. The economy will grow forever. Earth has infinite resources. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise!

Earth will definitely put us in our place in due time. That is inevitable and right fully overshadows everything we're talking about at the moment. 

[Andrew Reid]

All this AI stuff is going to be open source.

Why is the US investing so much into closed source?

It's a huge bubble and will burst.

On the chipmaking side, I think China will have the capability to make their own. It won't be the Nvidia monopoly the stockmarket bros think it will be.

[KnightsFan]

On 1/27/2025 at 11:29 AM, Evgeniy85 said:

AI will improve forever. The economy will grow forever. Earth has infinite resources. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise!

Well there are certainly paths to limit AI's improvement, such as nuclear war or catastrophic asteroid impact. And eventually we will run out of resources, but a lot of poor people will die of hunger before resource limits affect AI. I don't even think legal limits will have any long term affect either. Sure if the US bans AI development and stops Google, OpenAI, etc, there will be setbacks. But other companies in other countries will step up.

If you look at all of human history, technology has always improved, and always improved at an increasing rate. I don't think there is much reason to believe that the trend will suddenly stop.

[EduPortas]

On 1/26/2025 at 6:00 PM, KnightsFan said:

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Al I'm saying is that 1% that humans recognize as fake when observing an AI human will exist.

Animation has had this problem for decades now. Artists go to great lengths to make humans more and more realistic and people still criticize their work as fake.

Hand-made + CGI production has been a staple of cutting edge animation studios for a while now and most artists have stopped searching for that "perfect" human imitation.

It's so hard-wired into our brains that AI makers will inevitably stop searching for 100% real human impersonation.

[EduPortas]

On 1/26/2025 at 6:00 PM, KnightsFan said:

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Al I'm saying is that 1% that humans recognize as fake when observing an AI human will exist.

Animation has had this problem for decades now. Artists go to great lengths to make humans more and more realistic and people still criticize their work as fake.

Hand-made + CGI production has been a staple of cutting edge animation studios for a while now and most artists have stopped searching for that "perfect" human imitation.

It's so hard-wired into our brains that AI makers will inevitably stop searching for 100% real human impersonation.

[IronFilm]

On 1/23/2025 at 8:23 PM, MrSMW said:

Unless the BTS was also AI? 😉

 

 

What kind of camera is this???? 😅🤣😂

 

On 1/23/2025 at 11:50 PM, eatstoomuchjam said:

Anyplace with letters was also a give-away (the wording on the truck). 

A couple of years ago then AI photos also massively struggled with words in images, but now this is a mostly solved problem for AI photos. 

Half expect we'll see it solved for AI videos as well within a few short years. 

On 1/24/2025 at 2:18 AM, Ty Harper said:

At the very least I'd think that you won't need as much location shooting, b-roll/alternate shots, human extras, etc.

Bingo, that's exactly what will happen. 

Just like traditional VFX has come down massively in costs (what would have cost months/years/thousands/millions a few short decades ago, can be done today by a small team or even just a single person in their bedroom) so will we see the impact of "AI vfx" / "AI stockfootage", but I bet on a 10x bigger scale the impact of it. 

Shooting a period piece? Ok, have the key actors be in period appropriate costumes, and get a location that looks vaguely suitable. Then snap your fingers and everything else gets snapped into place using AI. Want a castle on that hill? No need for VFX artists, use AI!

What a crowd of angry peasants chasing your lead actor? Bingo, more AI!

Did you screw up a shooting schedule and rushed a scene that was filmed in full bright daylight that actually should have been filmed with a dark and moody vibe? No problem, AI to the rescue! Another quick fix. 

And so on and so on, I expect AI willl massively bring down post production costs, and will reduce costs of what's needed on set. (either due to needing a more limited scope, and/or because they can be more rushed/sloppy but let AI "fix it in post" for them) 

We're not there just yet, but I expect within a relatively short timespan (within my working lifetime), that is where we will get to. 

On 1/27/2025 at 7:26 AM, EduPortas said:

There's always this uncanny-valley when I watch even the most realistic CGI.

And yet look at how many movies with CGI there are, the market has spoken and shown that the vast majority of people are perfectly ok with these "almost real" imagery in movies. 

Thus too will AI generated content also be acceptable in movies as well, even if it isn't perfectly perfect. 

On 1/23/2025 at 10:08 PM, MrSMW said:

Really?

The ad and the BTS were both fully AI?

Nothing real about any of it?

If so, I am so out of touch with this world and the entire industry is fucked, - get out now 😵

Am kinda trying to do that, is why I'm keeping busy with studies to upskill myself. 

Then fimmaking might just be a part time profession I do as side gigs, or maybe even fully downgraded to "just a hobby" (a kinda expensive hobby! Even if I sell off most of my gear, I'd still keep maybe a basic sound package of fifty grand worth or so) 

On 1/28/2025 at 5:37 AM, BTM_Pix said:

The only way it won't achieve being indistinguishable from real video in the next few years will be if its actually outright banned.

Now that is something that I thought was a complete long shot until this DeepSeek thing reared its head.

If politicians and AI leaders in the USA think that the appropriate response to DeepSeek is yet more regulation then they're dooming the USA to future irrelevance. It will be like Spain is today, once a massive global superpower, but today a somewhat irrelevant minor country. 

Because those who choose to not drown AI in regulation will be sprinting so far ahead they'll be out of sight. 

For a possible example, imagine AI becomes somewhat stagnant in USA/Europe/Oz, but meanwhile in Asia (by which I mean... China) they race ahead, so then at some point (5yrs? 10yrs? 25yrs?) we see them offering to the world their version of a Netflix which can automatically generate a perfectly custom made movie that perfectly matches what you wish to see based upon your prompts you give it + your past watch history. All at a subscription cost that massively undercuts Netflix!

USA's cultural dominance? Gone.

Now imagine this not just happening to Netflix, but for every possible industry. What if this revolution gets repeated for: Energy exploration? Logistics planning/scheduling/delivery? Housing manufacturing? Telecommunications? Customer service centers? Cancer treatments? Drone technology?

Urgent copyright reform, that won't hold back and cripple AI, isn't just the morally right thing to do, but it's arguably an urgent matter of national security. 

https://annas-archive.org/blog/ai-copyright.html 

[IronFilm]

On 1/29/2025 at 5:06 AM, Andrew Reid said:

On the chipmaking side, I think China will have the capability to make their own.

China definitely can't. Not without ASML. (and arguably TSMC as well, but China might just try to conquer TSMC by military force?! Hopefully not. Although China can more easily catch up and replace TSMC, would be a massive project that would very optimistically be multi-year long, and China is currently trying to do this. In comparison vs the multi decade project that replacing ASML might require)

 

I've got an undergrad degree in electronics, in particular optoelectronics, a strength my uni is world class at, which is especially very relevant to this situation. Papers I took such as Physics333 (which covers topics about lasers such as: the electron oscillator model, rate equation model, Einstein coefficients, Fabry Perot etalons and resonators, optimum output coupling, reflection at a dielectric surface, waveguide theory, thin films, matrix techniques for optical elements, Gaussian beams and applications etc), those don't normally get taught at the third year level at most normal universities

So while I'm a long long long waaaay off what these expert engineers in chip production would know (many who have PhDs), I do at least know enough to have a rough grip on and a glimpse into how ridiculously over the top complex the process! That it's crazy hard wall for China to scale if they wish to catch up. 

 

[EduPortas]

23 hours ago, IronFilm said:

And yet look at how many movies with CGI there are, the market has spoken and shown that the vast majority of people are perfectly ok with these "almost real" imagery in movies. 

Thus too will AI generated content also be acceptable in movies as well, even if it isn't perfectly perfect. 

They are just another type of movie. Realistic animation is still animation, no matter how much AI power behind it.

We still respond best to other humans. Evidence is all around social media. Even in the very small screen of your iPhone most watch-time goes to humans in such "boring" activities like talking head podcasts.

It's not a question of being "acceptable", it's more what people actually respond to.

Unless our natural is fundamentally changed, humans still prefer to connect with other humans.