Lumix S1RII coming soon

[ntblowz]

https://www.l-rumors.com/exclusive-first-specs-of-the-new-lumix-s1rii/

 

Rumored spec from the comment section

44mp "high speed" sensor

Can do 40fps (with electronic shutter)

Can do 1.5 secs precapture RAW

Open gate

Price around $3500

 

 

8K opengate? I wonder will they have 8k60p as well?

 

[newfoundmass]

https://www.l-rumors.com/exclusive-first-specs-of-the-new-lumix-s1rii/

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Panasonic Lumix S1RII specs (preorder here soon):

New 44 MP “high speed” sensor

40fps in electronic shutter

10fps in mechanical shutter

8 stops image stabilization

1.5 second pre-capture

Open-Gate

Price around $3,500

Announcement: Feb 25, 1-2pm London time

I am checking the information I am getting right now, and hopefully I can share some more specs with you super soon. But in short, this camera is almost $1,000 cheaper than the Canon R5II, but offers MORE (faster fps and better video I’m told). Is that enough to make a breakthrough in sales? I don’t know, it’s hard to convince Canon-Sony-Nikon photographers when they’ve already invested in a system. But it’s certainly an exciting camera… don’t you think?

 

Updated article.

[Marcio Kabke Pinheiro]

Modified Nikon Z9 sensor?

[John Matthews]

Count on people saying "it doesn't have internal NDs" or "only 44MP".

[Andrew Reid]

So a Nikon Z8 clone then?

[Walter H]

With a mechanical shutter - that's a win for me.

i would expect a more Panasonic set of codecs. I was put off by the Z8 due to it being electronic shutter only and the video codecs seemed to have a big hole in them between RAW, RAW Lite, ProResHQ and a dodgy H.265 implimentation. 

[newfoundmass]

I am kind of surprised that it's "only" 44MP. I'm not complaining, it's just not common that you go with less resolution in a mark II vs. the original is it? Granted it's only like 3 MP difference. Will S1R shooters be angry? I've never been someone who takes/needs to take high resolution photos, so I'm genuinely curious.

[Walter H]

We will have to see what niche Panasonic wants to hit. If they are prioritizing a fast sensor over a slower read 60+MP sensor, then you know they are going for high performance versatility. Of course, there will be complaints about "Panasonic abandoning photographers" in favor of good video specs, but that's not a lament we'll hear in this forum. 

[stephen]

It practice it is the same resolution. I don't see this being a problem for Canon with R5 II and Nikon with Z8, Z9. Only Sony can afford to have that many cameras. Panasonic have obviously chosen to have better video specs instead of higher resolution for photo. For me it is the right decision. I am curious to see will S1R II have internal RAW video recording, similar to Nikon Z8. If yes which codec it will use. ProRes RAW like in GH7 ? Will S1R have something more than Z8 ? Otherwise I see no reason for Nikon users or even new users to choose Panasonic over Nikon. I have the feeling those two new FF cameras will be make or break it for Panasonic in camera business. 

[stephen]

One of the rumored specs says: mechanical shutter - 10Fps. Aha ! Here is what else more S1R II will have compared to Nikon Z8. It will have a mechanical shutter.  Panasonic will get off the shelf sensor - IMX366AJK, while Nikon Z9/Z8 uses IMX609AQJ apparently modified IMX366AJK specifically for Nikon to have low readout times for photo, in fact lower than in video. I think photo users will like the mechanical shutter.

[MrSMW]

3 hours ago, Walter H said:

Of course, there will be complaints about "Panasonic abandoning photographers" in favor of good video specs, but that's not a lament we'll hear in this forum. 

Hi Walter 👋

[MrSMW]

4 hours ago, newfoundmass said:

Will S1R shooters be angry? I've never been someone who takes/needs to take high resolution photos, so I'm genuinely curious.

I would not say 'angry' but was hoping for the 61mp from the SL3 and A7RV because of cropping.

44mp is not necessarily a deal-breaker for me, but does count against it.

Waiting to see what it really is first before making any decisions but as things stand, my A7RV is currently 'winning'.

[newfoundmass]

10 minutes ago, MrSMW said:

I would not say 'angry' but was hoping for the 61mp from the SL3 and A7RV because of cropping.

44mp is not necessarily a deal-breaker for me, but does count against it.

Waiting to see what it really is first before making any decisions but as things stand, my A7RV is currently 'winning'.

I was waiting for your thoughts! 

[MrSMW]

2 minutes ago, newfoundmass said:

I was waiting for your thoughts! 

They are pretty simple and boil down to; ideally, I would like a 4th LUMIX/L Mount camera as a pure stills unit to complement my 2x S5II's and single S9, all 3 dedicated to video.

The ability to swap lenses, maybe batteries, similar/the same menus, interchangeable backup etc...

But I already have an A7RV plus 3 lenses dedicated to this role and anything such as this S1RII, needs to be at least competitive for stills, if not exceed it or it's a costly exercise as in the depreciation of 1x body and 3x lenses to go sideways. Or even backwards...

44mp (if correct) is already tampering with my plans for a 'one & done' body & lens combo, the benchmark for that being Leica SL3 plus Sigma 28-105mm f2.8, except for price. The Leica is beyond my budget by about 200% and my A7RV beats it at just about every point that matters to me except size, weight and ergos where I prefer the slightly beefier Leica.

And as a photographer, who would not be pretty stoked shooting with a Leica?

This new LUMIX though is looking more like a competitor to the next Sony, the A7V taking over from the A7iv. IMO.

[ac6000cw]

10 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

So a Nikon Z8 clone then?

Assuming the rumors are correct, it looks more like a cheaper R5 ii competitor to me.

If it's intended to be a replacement for both the S1r and S1h, it'll be interesting to see what the rolling shutter performance is like. The Sony IMX366AJK sensor 'stephen' mentioned above is rated for 120fps at DCI 4k, 12-bit readout (I guess using 2 x 2 pixel binning with a vertical crop, as it's a native 3:2 aspect ratio), and DCI 8k at 60fps:

[Andrew Reid]

I'll forgive Panasonic if they get this right in a big way, offer something really nice that rivals the Z8 but with real-time LUTs and a mechanical shutter.

But merging S1H with the S1R series doesn't make sense.

Let's hope there is an S1H Mark II also on the way with a lower 6K megapixel count and better low light, plus the other video goodies like ergonomics more suited for filming and e-ND of some sort.

Then things might actually move forward in a creative way not just in terms of higher numbers on a sheet of paper.

44 megapixel I am fine with, rather have the speed than the difference between 44 (8K at Sony a1 Nikon Z8 standard) and 61 (also 8K but cropped and horrific rolling shutter)... in terms of stills 44 vs 61 we are talking 8K vs 9.5K... So not too much of difference even if you're cropping @MrSMW?

44-50 is a sweet spot I reckon.

JUST PLEASE NOT IN AN S5 BODY!!!!

[MrSMW]

15 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

in terms of stills 44 vs 61 we are talking 8K vs 9.5K... So not too much of difference even if you're cropping

Yes, it’s not totally terrible or an absolute dealbreaker, but 61 beats 44 just as 100 beats 61!

I’m looking at trading my 70-180 (plus 28-75 and maybe 20-40) against that 28-105 f2.8 Sigma, the only current ‘one & done’ lens I will consider.

An APSC in camera crop at a flick of a switch, gives me 26mp 157.5mm (61mp sensor with Sigma 28-105) so already trading another 22.5mm at the long end over a heavier and bulkier, but same speed 70-200mm (ie, up to 42.5mm) so the question is…and I can’t do the maths, but can I live with something like a 16mp 180-200mm equivalent file from a 44mp sensor?

For my needs, probably yes and the ‘one & done’ camera/lens combo has huge appeal.

I could already do it with my A7RV by trading my 3 current lenses for the single Sigma, but feel the body is not quite right for such a lens without the full battery grip…which is an option, but not one I really wish to take.

So spec aside, one of the most interesting and possibly deciding factors for me, will be how this new ‘S1-2RXii’ compares with the A7RV from a purely size, weight and ergo perspective…

[stephen]

Rolling shutter should be in the range of Sony A1 and Nikon Z8:  8K 24/30p - 14.5-15.5 ms, 4K 120k - 4.8-6 ms. Interesting part is 4K 24/30p where Sony A1 achieves 8ms while Nikon Z8 keeps steady at the same 14.5 ms. 4K 24/30p in APS-C crop should be lower than 10ms. The general consensus is that 14-15 ms is good enough. 8-9ms is Arri Alexa Classic territory. Nothing to complain at.

Image in the video and article shows camera body top that we've never seen from Panasonic. I am not sure if this image is representative to the real camera. For me slightly smaller and lighter that S1 / S1R body would be perfect. Having the same body as S5 II for a high end flagship camera doesn't make sense, that's why IMHO this won't be the case with S1R II.

If they put also 5mln dots viewfinder from previous generation (S1/S1R) or similar plus a switch for video / photo settings similar to Nikon Z8, Z6 III and Canon R5 II, then I think they will have a really good higher end camera. Panasonic always gave more for the same amount of money than the big 3. Merging S1/S1R line with high end video specs does make sense, they need this camera to compete with Nikon Z8 and Canon R5 II.  Panasonic doesn't have any high end specialized video camera in contrast to Canon, Nikon and Sony. It would make sense the second camera expected this year to be much more video oriented, probably internal e-ND filters or some high end video cameras features at more accessible package.

[Walter H]

6 hours ago, MrSMW said:

Hi Walter 👋

Can I introduce you to an up-and-coming forum with a vibrant photographer community - called DPReview?

(joking, joking & no shade at DPR beyond being tired af at all of the knee-jerk anti-video sentiment - I've abandoned engaging the L-mount thread a while ago now...)

I totally get it for your (and others) use-case and it's notable that your preference is supported by having three other bodies doing video specific things. 

On my end, the split between photo and video for paid work is so close to 50% (while closer to 65%+ of my income comes from video due to higher rates for video work). I'm rarely out there with two bodies when I'm doing hybrid work so, yeah, I'm looking for that all-around capable body that has more flexibilty (i.e. power) for stills, for its ability to auto-focus in lower light and with subjects with darker skin, and better video... great, yes. 

Keep my S1 body for two-camera shoots, etc. 

Edit: also, on the photo front, the rumor some weeks ago was that there has been some form of collaboration between Panasonic and Capture One that will be revealed with this annoucement. Could we FINALLY get tethering support between the two?? Desired/needed.

[Walter H]

50 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

I'll forgive Panasonic if they get this right in a big way, offer something really nice that rivals the Z8 but with real-time LUTs and a mechanical shutter.

But merging S1H with the S1R series doesn't make sense.

Let's hope there is an S1H Mark II also on the way with a lower 6K megapixel count and better low light, plus the other video goodies like ergonomics more suited for filming and e-ND of some sort.

Then things might actually move forward in a creative way not just in terms of higher numbers on a sheet of paper.

44 megapixel I am fine with, rather have the speed than the difference between 44 (8K at Sony a1 Nikon Z8 standard) and 61 (also 8K but cropped and horrific rolling shutter)... in terms of stills 44 vs 61 we are talking 8K vs 9.5K... So not too much of difference even if you're cropping @MrSMW?

44-50 is a sweet spot I reckon.

JUST PLEASE NOT IN AN S5 BODY!!!!

Agree with all of this. I would also be really interested in what the next 24-30mp body (S1Hii or S1x or...) would be and I hope to-f it's not another many months before we have an inkling, but I'm not holding my breath. 

The S1 sensor is still incredible for how clean the files are for low-light or when lifting shadows with minimum penelty. 

Triple agree regarding no S5 body and the importance of ergos. Maybe quintuple agree.