Lumix S1RII coming soon

[Ninpo33]

39 minutes ago, Simon Young said:

Wow, this sounds extremely generic. Are you a bot? What do you mean correct skin tones? And have you ever shot positive film? Really huge dynamic range 😂

Regurgitating basic statements you’ve seen in the pseudointellectual “serious film making space” on YouTube like:“COmPoSitioN and liGhtiNg” is IMPORTANT, is absolutely void of any meaning in this discussion since I was talking about image quality from a technical point of view with regards to a particular camera, not an artistic and subjective one.

Nah, he was right. The phrase “3 singe most…” is really dumb. Plus to say the S5iix is “almost unusable” is also really dumb. That camera is obviously used by thousands of people on a daily basis with very good results.
 

Do you constantly whip pan around while shooting video? RS can be an issue but in real life pro work it’s rarely a problem. For those types of shots you can drop down to S35 or just use a different camera for that shot. That’s one of the reasons we own a Fuji X-H2s but it rarely ends up getting used TBH. Same with moiré, not an issue 90% of the time but if you do shoot a lot of subjects where it’s an issue you can always have an OLP put in by Kolari and you’re good to go. 

[newfoundmass]

Obviously we all want cameras with as little rolling shutter as possible, but there really isn't a major camera released in at least the last 10 years that I'd say has enough RS as to make it useless. Maybe in certain circumstances, like filming trains, fast cars, airplanes/helicopters or something? 

Everyone has their own standards, I guess, but out of all the issues I have with my S5II X the rolling shutter performance is pretty low on my list and there's really nothing about the camera overall that make me call it "unusable."

 

[Robert Patts]

Excluding whip pans. If you are shooting open gate , and are on a long lens around 200mm. Rolling shutter will rear its ugly head 

[MrSMW]

I don't know what some folks are doing (or smoking) but I've been shooting with S5II's since they came out and not experiencing all this crazy rolling shutter, moire, open gate long lens talk.

I have at least 20 hours of total finished work on-line from just last year alone shot exclusively on S5II's in 6k open gate and if you can spot any of these issues, you have sharper eyes than I do.

I just have my fingers crossed that the S1-2RXii is slightly more useable than the piece of shit S5ii. Because it's been holding me back and if only...

[Robert Patts]

If you have your camera on sticks and not moving you won’t have a problem. 
 

But  if you are hand holding with the lens at 200mm, shooting open gate , and are following someone walking on stage the rolling shutter / jello is very visible. 

[John Matthews]

2 hours ago, MrSMW said:

I don't know what some folks are doing (or smoking) but I've been shooting with S5II's since they came out and not experiencing all this crazy rolling shutter, moire, open gate long lens talk.

I have at least 20 hours of total finished work on-line from just last year alone shot exclusively on S5II's in 6k open gate and if you can spot any of these issues, you have sharper eyes than I do.

I just have my fingers crossed that the S1-2RXii is slightly more useable than the piece of shit S5ii. Because it's been holding me back and if only...

Same here. If I were to think RS were a problem, I'd simply shoot in crop mode because it keeps up with everything in that mode. RS performance is way over-rated anyway. I've never said to myself "look at that crappy RS"! You only say that kind of thing in reviews and when you A-B test cameras.

[Simon Young]

To each their own. But talking about rolling shutter as being only a problem when shooting handheld at 200mm open gate is frankly ridiculous. RS impacts handheld motion at every focal length and whenever there is moderately fast movement in a scene. The Alexass are all sub 8m which is what is passable to my eyes. Once you go global shutter it’s hard to go back is all I can say. Your eyes don’t scan reality from top to bottom, left to right, do they? 😂😂😂

[Ninpo33]

9 minutes ago, Simon Young said:

To each their own. But talking about rolling shutter as being only a problem when shooting handheld at 200mm open gate is frankly ridiculous. RS impacts handheld motion at every focal length and whenever there is moderately fast movement in a scene. The Alexass are all sub 8m which is what is passable to my eyes. Once you go global shutter it’s hard to go back is all I can say. Your eyes don’t scan reality from top to bottom, left to right, do they? 😂😂😂

Wow, the $1,200 LUMIX up to an Alexa is quite the jump. Yeah, just use your Alexa I guess since your discerning eye can’t deal with all of this rolling shutter on the S5ii. Just terrible, terrible images coming out of the LUMIX cameras these days. 

[eatstoomuchjam]

12 hours ago, Simon Young said:

Wow, this sounds extremely generic. Are you a bot? What do you mean correct skin tones? And have you ever shot positive film? Really huge dynamic range 😂

Regurgitating basic statements you’ve seen in the pseudointellectual “serious film making space” on YouTube like:“COmPoSitioN and liGhtiNg” is IMPORTANT, is absolutely void of any meaning in this discussion since I was talking about image quality from a technical point of view with regards to a particular camera, not an artistic and subjective one.

If you view footage on a vectorscope, all human skin tones fall along a line between the reds and the greens (unless exposed with rgb light or whatever, this is assuming standard lighting).  If they skew too far to one side, the skintones look green and sickly.  If they skew too far the other way, they look pink and feverish.  Too saturated and they look orange.  Not saturated enough and they look pale.  That's what is meant by "correct skin tones."  When I was shooting Sony many years ago (like A7r -> A7s II era), I almost always had to drag them back from being too green.  I hear they improved a lot shortly after I exited the system.

And yes, I've shot positive film for years as well as negative film.  One of the drawbacks that just about any photographer will say about positive film is that it lacks dynamic range, as you said.  It's also why a majority of movies that are shot on film are shot with negative film.

As to the rest, technical discussions of image quality are only useful (in a filmmaking context) if they support artistic and subjective goals.  If you are an industrial technician looking for a new camera to put over a conveyor belt to detect defects in microchips as they go flying past, then by all means stick to a purely technical discussion of camera capabilities.  The rest of us will be over here trying to make art with our limited skills and pseudointellectual ideas of what's important in filmmaking. 😉

[MrSMW]

2 minutes ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

technical discussions of image quality are only useful (in a filmmaking context) if they support artistic and subjective goals

Indeed.

The technical capabilities of anything are worth diddly squat without human intervention and operation.

At least until AI or alien intervention surpasses us and that may not be so far off but does not exist in February 2025.

I only add the latter for context just in case by the end of the year, we have indeed been surpassed. Which is within the realms of possibility… 🛸

[Walter H]

21 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

It looks like Panasonic are trying to copy Sony and do a one-body design suits all as in case of a7 series.

So looks very much like it will be in the S5 mould with extra buttons.

It will be a pity if that means losing the top-LCD display.

Styling wise, ergonomics wise, they seem determined to make something quite charmless.

Yeah, when I saw that image... sigh.

I'm not an "S1 body or nothing" person but as many here have also noted, the build quality  and ergos (despite the weight) of the original three have been amazing. I actively dislike the feel of the S5 in hand.

I do think the S5ii/x feels incrimentally better in the hand and I'm interested if the additional proportions of the body "gets it right" or something. The loss of the top LCD is a bummer but not as critical to me as...

The mechanical shutter. Again, I think the S5ii/x is marginally better damped than the hollow klatch of the S5. Let's see.

[newfoundmass]

8 hours ago, Robert Patts said:

But  if you are hand holding with the lens at 200mm, shooting open gate , and are following someone walking on stage the rolling shutter / jello is very visible. 

If you're shooting at 200mm handheld for long periods of time in video you should probably be using a monopod or at least a shoulder rig. I know there are situations where that isn't possible, but that's a pretty extreme scenario. 

6 hours ago, Simon Young said:

To each their own. But talking about rolling shutter as being only a problem when shooting handheld at 200mm open gate is frankly ridiculous. RS impacts handheld motion at every focal length and whenever there is moderately fast movement in a scene. The Alexass are all sub 8m which is what is passable to my eyes. Once you go global shutter it’s hard to go back is all I can say. Your eyes don’t scan reality from top to bottom, left to right, do they? 😂😂😂

That's a really high standard. We have to remember that these are still sub-$2000 cameras. From my perspective, as someone who started out in video 28 years ago, I look at a camera like the S5II X and am in awe at what this camera I paid $2000 for can do. I am in awe, really, at what any of these cameras can do because I never imagined I'd be able to own a camera with these capabilities. When I was 16 working for a local production company that had Canon XL1s I was literally giddy when I would use it! I didn't sleep the night before the first time I knew I was going to use one! Obviously we can't judge everything based on what was available/what we used when we first started, but it does make some of our complaints seem pretty silly considering how fortunate we are. The fact that a $2000 camera can even be mentioned in the same breath as an Alexa is pretty crazy.

 

[Robert Patts]

30 minutes ago, newfoundmass said:

If you're shooting at 200mm handheld for long periods of time in video you should probably be using a monopod or at least a shoulder rig. I know there are situations where that isn't possible, but that's a pretty extreme scenario.

Eh. Not so much. You are shooting a large tech conference . You are the solo shooter. The person on stage is talking for 15 min. You need wide. Close. And mid shots. 
 

You stand on the left side of the stage. You use your 70-200 for these shots as they walk back and forth across the scene.

Once those shots our done. You go to the center of the  audience. Repeat. 

Once that is done you go the left of the stage. Repeat again. 
 

Having a tripod / monopod is not efficient in this situation. 

[Davide DB]

Six years ago we had S1R and S1H and all the rumours always talked about two new cameras and that the first to come out would be the photography-oriented S1R.

Reading the leaked specs raises a question in my mind. What if Panasonic only released one camera? 

From the specs, it looks like it will be chock full of video features in pure Pana style.

 

[stephen]

Like most here I am happy with S5 IIX. Rolling shutter is not a problem for what I shoot, 24Mpx are enough for photo and don't need 8K for video. I though that with S5 IIX can finally forget about cameras, relax and enjoy taking photos and videos. Now with all specs and some photos of Panasonic S1RII out, can feel GAS pressure increasing 🙂 Guess it is human psychology. Always wanting more. 🙂

Apart of the body which is basically a copy of S5 II, everything else is as I was hoping to be. Shutter closes to protect the sensor when changing lenses, Sony A7R V style LCD, 5Mln dots viewfinder and a switch for photo/video. Lack of top LCD screen is not a problem for me and third party grip to extend slightly the handle can solve potential issues with body ergonomics. Well done Panasonic.

The best part about S1R II is that Panasonic is still in the game. We had some doubts after the long wait. I hope they stay longer in camera business, not only because I've bet on their camera bodies and L Mount in general but also because having more choices is always better for us users.

[Ninpo33]

1 hour ago, Robert Patts said:

Eh. Not so much. You are shooting a large tech conference . You are the solo shooter. The person on stage is talking for 15 min. You need wide. Close. And mid shots. 
 

You stand on the left side of the stage. You use your 70-200 for these shots as they walk back and forth across the scene.

Once those shots our done. You go to the center of the  audience. Repeat. 

Once that is done you go the left of the stage. Repeat again. 
 

Having a tripod / monopod is not efficient in this situation. 

Everything you’re describing is perfect for a monopod situation. Your description is no different than what most of us deal with several times a day on any event or wedding shoot. Remember that many of us shot things like this before there was any sort of IBIS or OIS at all. You’re complaining about a situation that is only negative for you because you are not using the right tools or technique. To blame the camera is a cop out. 

[Robert Patts]

3 minutes ago, Ninpo33 said:

Everything you’re describing is perfect for a monopod situation. Your description is no different than what most of us deal with several times a day on any event or wedding shoot. Remember that many of us shot things like this before there was any sort of IBIS or OIS at all. You’re complaining about a situation that is only negative for you because you are not using the right tools or technique. To blame the camera is a cop out. 

Hahah. I have been doing this for 10+ years. I own a monopod. I own a tripod. Neither would be useful in this situation. 

You are telling me, it is more efficient to continually adjust my monopod in height multiple times from multiple positions in the crowd instead of hand holding it and taking advantage of the IBIS? 

In your mind, when I am standing stage right...new speaker comes out. I have about 10-15 min to shoots. I should first,  adjust the monopod to the correct height. Shoot. Ah, now I want a bit lower shot with more screen and more stage...lower the monopod some more. Now I want that shot where its framed between two of the audience members...let me adjust that one more time on the ole monopod.  And probably some more angles on stage right. Lemme adjust the ole monopod more.

 

And then continue this monopod dance multiple times for stage center, and stage left? Cmon now. 

As I said before, rolling shutter at 200mm...open gate...not the best. Why open gate? Because most deliverables nowadays needs to be in 16x9 and 9x16. Rolling shutter at 70mm...fine.

 

[Ninpo33]

This is exciting. So glad they broke with the Leica SL-3 specs. The faster readout and lower megapixels should really make this a true hybrid.  And priced the same as a used Sony A1… perfect. 
 

Panasonic Lumix S1rII images and specs leaked!

 

 

 

Lumix S1rII PRESS TEXT

(deepl translated)

Panasonic introduces the Lumix S1RII, a full-frame mirrorless camera for professional photographers and videographers. The camera has a newly developed 44.3 megapixel BSI CMOS sensor and a powerful L2 processor, which together enable a high level of detail and a wide dynamic range of up to 14 f-stops. The native ISO range extends from ISO 80 to 51,200 and can be extended to ISO 40 to 102,400.

Improved autofocus and fast continuous shooting function

The phase-hybrid autofocus of the Lumix S1RII utilizes 779 focusing points and AI-supported subject recognition for people, animals, vehicles and other subjects.The camera can take continuous shots at up to 40 frames per second in electronic shutter mode – with continuous focus tracking (AF-C). A pre-burst mode saves images before the actual shutter release so that spontaneous moments are not missed.

Functions such as white balance and ISO sensitivity can be accessed directly at the top of the housing via dedicated buttons.

Optimized image stabilization and high-resolution photos

The camera has internal 5-axis image stabilization on the image sensor (IBIS), which enables compensation of up to 8 f-stops. In combination with a compatible lens and Dual I.S., up to 7 f-stops of stabilization are possible in the telephoto range.

For high-resolution images, the Lumix S1RII offers a high-resolution mode that captures eight images with a slightly offset sensor position and composes them into a 177 megapixel file. This mode is available for both JPEG and RAW images and enables detailed results without a tripod. L-rumors.com

Advanced video functions with Open Gate and RAW recording

For the first time, a Lumix camera offers internal 8K video recording at 30 frames per second. In addition, the Lumix S1RII supports Open Gate recording, which utilizes the entire sensor area in 3:2 format for video recording in 6.4K resolution. This offers filmmakers maximum flexibility in post-production, as they can crop the required aspect ratio (e.g. 16:9, 1:1 or 9:16) later. Panasonic has also announced a firmware update for 2025 that will also enable Open Gate recordings in 8.1K and 7.2K.

Apple ProRes RAW HQ can be recorded internally at 5.8K at 30p on CFexpress Type B cards or an SSD hard drive connected via USB. RAW videos can even be output to external recorders in 8K via HDMI. The Lumix S1RII also offers the option of recording a proxy file with a low bit rate in parallel. This is linked to the original video and enables more efficient post-production.

Robust protection and other features

The robust magnesium alloy housing is protected against dust and splash water and is frost-proof down to -10 °C.The Lumix S1RII also offers new sensor protection: when the camera is switched off, the mechanical shutter can be closed automatically to protect the sensor from dust when the lens is changed.

The camera has a 5.76 megapixel OLED viewfinder and a folding and swiveling 3-inch touch display with 1.84 million pixels.Two memory card slots are available for storage: one for CFexpress type B cards and one for SDHC/SDXC (UHS-II) cards.

Optimized workflow and enhanced connectivity

The Lumix S1RII is the first Lumix system camera to support Capture One Tethering.This enables direct image transfer to a computer. In addition, the camera is compatible with Adobe Camera to Cloud, so that image and video files can be automatically uploaded to the cloud and edited there.

Two apps are available for an enhanced user experience: The LUMIX Lab app enables, among other things, the easy transfer, editing and management of LUTs (Look-Up-Tables) to use color styles directly in the camera or on the smartphone. The new LUMIX Flow app supports video productions from planning to editing and offers functions such as automatic sorting of recordings and the use of the smartphone as an external monitor.

Price and availability

The recommended retail price is €3,599 for the Lumix S1RII without lens and €4,499 for the kit with the 24-105 mm F4 Macro O.I.S. standard zoom.

 

Full Panasonic Lumix S1RII specs (preorder here soon):

New 44 MP “high speed” sensor

40fps in electronic shutter

10fps in mechanical shutter

8 stops image stabilization

176 MP High Res with sensor shift…handheld(!) and by combining 8 images.

5.76 megapixel OLED viewfinder

1.5 second pre-capture

8k30p

4K120 without crop

8,1K Open-Gate will be released later with a Firmware Update

6K ProRes RAW HQ internal recording

Internal RAW Video Recording: ProRes 422 HQ, ProRes 422 plus Proxy Recording

You can record on external SSD via USB-C

Frame marker for 2.39:1, 2.35:1, 2.00:1, 1.85:1, 16:9,
4:3, 5:4, 1:1, 4:5, 9:16 and Custom

32 Bit Float audio

Multi-Angle-Screen like A9III/A1II

Body size about the same of the Lumix S5II(just a tiny bit thicker)

Weather-sealed and ventilated

RED record button in front of the camera on the corner near the mount

red Tally in front and on the back fo the camera

Price €3,599

Announcement: Feb 25, 1-2pm London time

[Ninpo33]

1 minute ago, Robert Patts said:

Hahah. I have been doing this for 10+ years. I own a monopod. I own a tripod. Neither would be useful in this situation. 

You are telling me, it is more efficient to continually adjust my monopod in height multiple times from multiple positions in the crowd instead of hand holding it and taking advantage of the IBIS? 

In your mind, when I am standing stage right...new speaker comes out. I have about 10-15 min to shoots. I should first,  adjust the monopod to the correct height. Shoot. Ah, now I want a bit lower shot with more screen and more stage...lower the monopod some more. Now I want that shot where its framed between two of the audience members...let me adjust that one more time on the ole monopod.  And probably some more angles on stage right. Lemme adjust the ole monopod more.

 

And then continue this monopod dance multiple times for stage center, and stage left? Cmon now. 

As I said before, rolling shutter at 200mm...open gate...not the best. Why open gate? Because most deliverables nowadays needs to be in 16x9 and 9x16. Rolling shutter at 70mm...fine.

 

You do you bro… this scenario is not new or unique you’re describing any basic event or wedding style coverage. If RS is bad for you on a longer focal length you might want to learn how to slow down your movements and be ahead of your subjects slightly. I’ve been shooting video since the early 90’s so I’m old. We didn’t have IBIS and light Mirrorless cameras and have been making it work with no issues. I’ve shot hundreds of weddings and half of them on the 5Dmk2 so yeah, keep telling me how the S5ii is terrible. 

[andjo]

I'm very intrigued to see what they are bringing with this camera. I assume that the S1R II will not include an optical low-pass filter (OLPF), so even though the video specs are impressive there still likely will be a need for a potential S1H II. Wish they would come up with some sort of interchangeable OLPF solution.

If I remember correctly moire was quite bad when recording video on S1/S1R?