Lumix S1RII coming soon

[Ninpo33]

10 minutes ago, andjo said:

I'm very intrigued to see what they are bringing with this camera. I assume that the S1R II will not include an optical low-pass filter (OLPF), so even though the video specs are impressive there still likely will be a need for a potential S1H II. Wish they would come up with some sort of interchangeable OLPF solution.

If I remember correctly moire was quite bad when recording video on S1/S1R?

If it’s something filters and technique can’t fix there’s always Kolari. Easy fix for a lot of people on the S5iix

https://kolarivision.com/product/olpf-aa-filter-upgrade-for-panasonic-lumix-s1-and-s5-cameras/?srsltid=AfmBOopFsw5dPlgKUes_emPZ2SlZb_WExlwAj5PRubAwVK87j0VeSK6B

 

[eatstoomuchjam]

1 hour ago, Robert Patts said:

ou are telling me, it is more efficient to continually adjust my monopod in height multiple times from multiple positions in the crowd instead of hand holding it and taking advantage of the IBIS? 

With the right monopod, it's not that hard.  With something like the Cobra 3 from iFootage, it takes a fraction of a second to change height.

1 hour ago, Robert Patts said:

As I said before, rolling shutter at 200mm...open gate...not the best. Why open gate? Because most deliverables nowadays needs to be in 16x9 and 9x16. Rolling shutter at 70mm...fine.

It sounds like you have a really specific use case based on your subject matter and your preferences for how you shoot.  In that use case, rolling shutter is super important to you because the combination of IBIS+OIS on your body/70-200 lens leads to wobbly jello footage.

As you are seeing from this thread, not everybody shoots that way.  For most people, higher RS is fine.  And keep in mind that is coming from a person with 3 GS cameras (Komodo X, Komodo, and E2-S6G).  GS might lead me to choose them over my other cameras, but other things might lead me to choose the Ronin 4D - and with that, I will sometimes opt for the ~30-31ms readout mode that has higher dynamic range vs the ~16ms mode with standard dynamic range.  I have yet to hear a complaint from anybody when I hand over the footage.

One thing to consider for your use case is the use of something like a Ready Rig or Easyrig and a heavier camera body with a shoulder pad.  The footage is more inherently stable when using a heavier body and with more points of contact.

[Jahleh]

With S5ii RS was a easily noticeable with light anamorphic and macro lenses.
Had a 400 gram Sirui Saturn 1.6x 75mm T2.9 and even though IBIS was great, even a little bit of panning introduced RS with 6k open gate. With 4k there was less RS but it did not look as great. 
 

The Panasonic 100mm F2.8 had also RS, but it was nice that you could even try macro handheld. 
 

This new S1Rii sounds now very promising, if it does not have the same over sharpening than S5ii has.
 

[Thpriest]

No mention of open gate 6K 50p?

[John Matthews]

Obviously, a main competitor for this camera is the Sony A7r V (also at roughly the same price). I've been looking through the specs and found advantages for the Sony like: webcam capable, maybe slightly better AF, better lens selection, better card slots, and a little more resolution. If these Panasonic specs are correct, the Panasonic will have a host of things:

• Opengate
• Maybe better IBIS
• Dual ISO sensor (couldn't find anything with the Sony)
• More Pro Codecs
• 32-bit audio with the accessory
• High Resolution photo mode, in-camera AND handheld
• Support for anamorphic
• Fantastic video tools
• Realtime LUTs
• Live View Composite

Already, that would be great! Am I missing something?

[hoodlum]

13 minutes ago, John Matthews said:

Obviously, a main competitor for this camera is the Sony A7r V (also at roughly the same price). I've been looking through the specs and found advantages for the Sony like: webcam capable, maybe slightly better AF, better lens selection, better card slots, and a little more resolution. If these Panasonic specs are correct, the Panasonic will have a host of things:

• Opengate
• Maybe better IBIS
• Dual ISO sensor (couldn't find anything with the Sony)
• More Pro Codecs
• 32-bit audio with the accessory
• High Resolution photo mode, in-camera AND handheld
• Support for anamorphic
• Fantastic video tools
• Realtime LUTs
• Live View Composite

Already, that would be great! Am I missing something?

Does Sony have an app providing similar capabilities. 
 

New Lumix Flow app features:

Designed for videographers

Use an iPhone as an external monitor

Storyboarding

Editing

LUT creation and direct import into the camera

A filming assistant in a smartphone

 

[zerocool22]

29 minutes ago, hoodlum said:

Does Sony have an app providing similar capabilities. 
 

New Lumix Flow app features:

Designed for videographers

Use an iPhone as an external monitor

Storyboarding

Editing

LUT creation and direct import into the camera

A filming assistant in a smartphone

 

I hope it also works for android phones...

[MrSMW]

1 hour ago, John Matthews said:

If these Panasonic specs are correct, the Panasonic will have a host of things

And for stills over the A7RV that I already have…??

In camera crop markers.

Err, struggling.

It’s not looking like being any kind of upgrade for me and possibly not even a sideways one…but still waiting to see the official announcement. And what Sigma might have cooking…

[John Matthews]

36 minutes ago, MrSMW said:

And for stills over the A7RV that I already have…??

In camera crop markers.

Err, struggling.

It’s not looking like being any kind of upgrade for me and possibly not even a sideways one…but still waiting to see the official announcement. And what Sigma might have cooking…

Well for you, it's all about the shutter sound, right? ;-)

[Ninpo33]

[MrSMW]

50 minutes ago, John Matthews said:

Well for you, it's all about the shutter sound, right? ;-)

Not all about, but quite important.

The OG S5 was/is awful.

The S5ii better.

A7RV better still.

The S1H best I have had to date.

But no, along with the crop markers, not a sufficient reason to change!

If I stick with Sony for my stills, I might just switch my lenses though from; 20-40, 28-75 and 70-180 f2.8 Tamron’s for the Sigma pairing of; 28-105 f2.8 for all things outdoors plus 28-45 f1.8 for everything in.

I do need something faster indoors and have been eyeing the latter lens for some time and that pairing on the 61mp offers some decent cropping which just about allows for the loss of the 70-180. If I flip my lenses…

I think I’d have to chuck my Zf into the equation to make it work financially as that was going to be my lower light lens with ‘something’ f1.8 or faster.

I do have the E-Z adapter so could otherwise keep the Zf and all 3 Tamron lenses and not flip them for the 28-105.

Decisions decisions decisions…

But not until or just after the 25th because Sigma might just be about to throw a grenade into the mix.

[Thpriest]

The video specs look pretty good. Quite versatile.

[MrSMW]

5 minutes ago, Thpriest said:

The video specs look pretty good. Quite versatile.

Which in an about flip from everything I posted above, is something else I am also considering because there are a couple of ‘niche’ things I am thinking about bringing into my capture and edit that I cannot currently do, but this new boy would allow and all within one single system which has great appeal.

I would not flip one of my S5ii’s or my S9 for that ‘need’, but the S1Rii might just cover that off despite being a primary stills option for me…

 

[Thpriest]

8 minutes ago, MrSMW said:

Which in an about flip from everything I posted above, is something else I am also considering because there are a couple of ‘niche’ things I am thinking about bringing into my capture and edit that I cannot currently do, but this new boy would allow and all within one single system which has great appeal.

I would not flip one of my S5ii’s or my S9 for that ‘need’, but the S1Rii might just cover that off despite being a primary stills option for me…

 

If you can then being in one system makes sense. Each camera is a back up to the others and I'd imagine this will use the same batteries making everything easier to manage.

[Ninpo33]

I was hoping to see more 10 bit 4.2.2 options and I hate when they post video specs and purposely omit the *S35 crop info. We Panasonic folk have long been missing FF, 4k 60p so at least it sounds like we’re covered up to 120p now. Will be nice to hear everything confirmed in a few days. 

[Walter H]

7 minutes ago, Ninpo33 said:

I was hoping to see more 10 bit 4.2.2 options and I hate when they post video specs and purposely omit the *S35 crop info. We Panasonic folk have long been missing FF, 4k 60p so at least it sounds like we’re covered up to 120p now. Will be nice to hear everything confirmed in a few days. 

Same. Surprised to see 422 so constrained. 

[KnightsFan]

1 hour ago, Ninpo33 said:

I was hoping to see more 10 bit 4.2.2 options

Maybe evidence Panasonic is saving that for a more video-centric camera?

From the specs so far it's not a particularly video centric camera, but if they've gone through the trouble of making a video-first iPhone app, then probably there's another camera on the way. Certainly the rumor sites seem to think so.

And while we're on the subject, a proper video monitoring app is huge! That is one of my absolute favorite features of Z Cam. We'll see if Panasonic deliver. If I can have wireless, full HD monitoring with reasonable latency on 2-3 devices simultaneously, that's an immediate, massive plus. I'm really hoping for a BS1H successor now!

[newfoundmass]

 

53 minutes ago, KnightsFan said:

Maybe evidence Panasonic is saving that for a more video-centric camera?

That seems like the most likely reason.

I suspect we'll see a S1H successor announced by the end of the year.

[eatstoomuchjam]

59 minutes ago, KnightsFan said:

Maybe evidence Panasonic is saving that for a more video-centric camera?

I dunno, from the post from the other day, it sounds like it's not not video-centric to me...
> Apple ProRes RAW HQ can be recorded internally at 5.8K at 30p on CFexpress Type B cards or an SSD hard drive connected via USB. RAW videos can even be output to external recorders in 8K via HDMI.

It'd be a little weird for Panasonic to include 5.8K PRR and 8K raw over HDMI on a more photo-centric camera.  Seems more like a camera that's really trying to target the Z8/Z9 and R5 series, the do-everything hybrid camera that can take high resolution photos all day and switch to professional 8K video modes with no other equipment.

The GH7 is the only other Panasonic camera that I can think of which can do internal raw - and they'd call that a video flagship.