Panasonic Lumix S1R Mark II coming soon

[Ninpo33]

4 hours ago, Walter H said:

So much for me not watching reviews, but I am glad I found this which just seems a bit slower and more grounded.

While there is a lot of similar ground covered from earlier reviews, things that stand out to me in this one are

• lots of great imagery and skin tone in a variety of lighting
• perhaps a slight over correction toward magenta? but no more of the greens that I am always pulling out of my S1 footage
• dynamic range gains are weighted toward the shadows and highlights need to be better protected when they are prioritized and
• fantastic color and noise stability when lifting shadows relative to prior S cameras (like shocking to me)
• don't use DRE with 8K for a sit-down interview.

 

Oh hey look, Ed Prosser’s. Video I mentioned a while back. Look @eatstoomuchjam now you don’t have to waste your time googling anything. Here it is, delivered right to you. 

[Davide DB]

Sorry guys, I had to do it.

I really don't get this guy anymore. This video would be perfect for the "Rise of the salesmen, Death of the artist" thread.

@Andrew Reid feel free to delete this post 

 

 

[Emanuel]

If so, he is right at least about something: overheating is not secondary. Makes no sense at this price range, to my book. No idea how much active cooling is able to be effective there, though.

 

 

[Walter H]

4 hours ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

... part of the question for me would be whether that's a capture-time decision or a decision to be made in the edit/color grade.  I tend to favor the latter.  Best to capture a flexible "negative" that can be manipulated after the fact.

I agree with this. I'm all for embracing constraints and I loathe the HDR look, but preserving options for choices post-capture I like. 

[Emanuel]

Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap but by the seeds that you plant. ~ Robert Louis Stevenson

[Marcio Kabke Pinheiro]

16 hours ago, Emanuel said:

I wish it would help. Language issues or comprehending each other is much beyond the use of idioms. Unfortunately.

Eu entendo você em qualquer um dos idiomas, @Emanuel 😁

(just a joke to my fellow "languager" here) 😉

[IronFilm]

On 3/4/2025 at 10:31 AM, MurtlandPhoto said:

My gripe with some of the tit for tat comparisons is they almost always ignore the reality of switching costs for folks with established kits. Would a Sony A7iii shooter looking for a higher resolution upgrade be persuaded to switch to the S5Rii versus the A7Rv? Most of the time, probably not. It's hard to get people to switch systems with one camera body, for good reason. Personally, I switched back to Panasonic after 2 years with Sony. The thing that clinched it wasn't actually Panasonic—it was Blackmagic! 

I'm guessing it was because of the Blackmagic Pyxis? (or the earlier BMD Cine 6K L Mount camera?) And you picked up something like a S5 as your B Cam to the BMD L Mount camera as your A Cam? 

 

[wolf33d]

On 2/26/2025 at 10:05 PM, Emanuel said:

Really? ; ) The answer, my friend, is blowing in your own, is blowing in your own post... LOL BTW, where have you been? You as a few others over here are truly missed : ) 

  

Ah and €2762 to $4K is the difference (huge gap for 50% more BTW) enough to make me pull the trigger, you know? 

People have a budget, mine in mid-2020 decade is up to $500 for mini sensor size cams, perhaps other than iPhone but the fact is that I haven't bought one yet ; ) 

$1000-$1500 for a workhorse camera and about $2500 for a premium device. 

Other than that, they don't have my money in their pocket/bank account. I bought a 12K Ursa Mini Pro like new for $3K, so you see... ;- )

Well I have been around, but this website is a bit dead, @Andrew Reid isn’t posting anymore. I agree with his panasonic post. The era of 5DII and Magic lantern and GH4s etc used to be fun. Now not so much. 
Also, as everybody here knows, I spent most of my time out here on this forum complaining for years that it was unbelievable we had good phase detect AF in one body, good IBIS in another, good 4K in another, 4K120P in another, great full frame stills in another, but nobody would release a camera with all that. Well Canon did it with the R5 5 years ago. I bought it, and stopped complaining lol. So I haven’t much to say. 

Oh actually I do have something to complain about. I am a lot into landscape drone photography/video now. For years, I have been waiting for the combination of vertical shooting (DJI Mini) with high quality (DJI Mavic PRO). Can’t believe I have to carry multiple drones. 
Fortunately DJI listened to me and is releasing the Mavic Pro 4 next month, with excellent IQ as always for the pro line and finally, yes finally vertical shooting. Jesus they took their time…

That one is an instant buy! As for my R5, I am happy with it. The R5II is a joke for me, not too much reason to upgrade. Any new camera that is being released recently is not really better than the R5 so nothing to get excited about.
Well, the R5 II is not as much of a joke as the new Sony A1 II though. Those guys managed to release the exact same camera years later for $6500 haha

[MurtlandPhoto]

34 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

I'm guessing it was because of the Blackmagic Pyxis? (or the earlier BMD Cine 6K L Mount camera?) And you picked up something like a S5 as your B Cam to the BMD L Mount camera as your A Cam? 

 

It was the $1500 fire sale on the Cine 6K. Picked that up plus an S5iix and S5ii. I got three great cameras for less than $4500. I’d been teetering on switching back to Panasonic, and I’ve always loved Blackmagic, so the stars aligned to make the switch back from Sony economical. 

[IronFilm]

5 hours ago, cosarth said:

Video performance is so close to its peak that people run out of things to whine about, splitting hair on frantic panoramic movements that no one will ever shoot in real life.

Exactly! 

Video peformance is harder to max out (to the point at which we reach "the plateau"). No surprise there, as doing video with 24fps (or 30fps, or even 60fps) is a lot harder to achieve than stills with perhaps 1fps (or even say 5fps, for comparison the famous Nikon D800 could only do 4 frames per second). 

But eventually technology improves, and now we're seeing video performance also entering "the plateau" (arguably we're already well into it). 

  

21 hours ago, John Matthews said:

This might sound ironic but I think if he used AI (ChatGPT) to translate for him, it will most likely be near flawless, which is to opposite point I think he's trying to make. I have used it extensively and it rarely makes mistakes. Also, you learn quite a bit from doing it too. Now, I rarely make mistakes when I write in French. AI is exceptionally good with their language models.

I agree, what a LLM such as ChatGPT can do now for language translation is many lightyears ahead of what say Google Translate could do even just a few short years ago.  Especially when it comes to picking up nuances of tone, cultural differences, slang, and other tricky translation issues, then a LLM is a zillion times better than old school translation tools were. 

  

36 minutes ago, wolf33d said:

Oh actually I do have something to complain about. I am a lot into landscape drone photography/video now. For years, I have been waiting for the combination of vertical shooting (DJI Mini) with high quality (DJI Mavic PRO). Can’t believe I have to carry multiple drones. 
Fortunately DJI listened to me and is releasing the Mavic Pro 4 next month, with excellent IQ as always for the pro line and finally, yes finally vertical shooting. Jesus they took their time…

That one is an instant buy!

Doesn't the DJI Mini 4 Pro and DJI Air 3S shoot vertical video already? 

 

[Emanuel]

On 3/6/2025 at 2:49 AM, Marcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

Eu entendo você em qualquer um dos idiomas, @Emanuel 😁

(just a joke to my fellow "languager" here) 😉

Glad to know, at least you, not Brutus! LOL ; )

If that was the problem... as hinted up there : ) Language is not an exclusive of the use of idioms, neither a linguistic code is. 

Let's pay attention to the word "idiom" or "idioma" now used by you. Looks like the same word, meaning, etc., but doesn't have exactly the same meaning in English and some other structured system of vocabulary + grammar. Its usage and obviously, the meaning, both can vary.

However, the same phrase: the absence of a moot point (it would be "a ausência de um ponto de discussão discutível" or something similar) if written in Portuguese, means the same to someone who is not sync with the subject, as it is clear (maybe not exactly crystal clear to the most part of you but fair enough to a few) to be the case here : ) No translator will help : )) And in UK vs US (or U.S. in the United States : D), the meaning changes, from one to the other country, same official language though.

Just proves a lexicon can be a synonym of a myriad of different meanings what a language is or can be.

Why "is"? Literal speech. Why "can be"? Figurative speech. 

(Making it simple now.)

Moreover, language can be one's native or foreign language with a set of rules. Or a code typical phraseology used internally by some group within a professional, scientific, academic subject or domain. 

My bad to bring it outside. Also a bit of stubbornness from my side, trying to divert the discussion from there and to not simply throw it out. Without mention, I always tend to pay attention to feedback and to not ignore anyone.

I tend to forget there are crafts and players in this same industry of a different kind and distinct backgrounds. 

My passion for pictures and art form overwhelms my rationality. Just sometimes... : P

[Emanuel]

3 hours ago, wolf33d said:

Well I have been around, but this website is a bit dead, @Andrew Reid isn’t posting anymore. I agree with his panasonic post. The era of 5DII and Magic lantern and GH4s etc used to be fun. Now not so much. 
Also, as everybody here knows, I spent most of my time out here on this forum complaining for years that it was unbelievable we had good phase detect AF in one body, good IBIS in another, good 4K in another, 4K120P in another, great full frame stills in another, but nobody would release a camera with all that. Well Canon did it with the R5 5 years ago. I bought it, and stopped complaining lol. So I haven’t much to say. 

Oh actually I do have something to complain about. I am a lot into landscape drone photography/video now. For years, I have been waiting for the combination of vertical shooting (DJI Mini) with high quality (DJI Mavic PRO). Can’t believe I have to carry multiple drones. 
Fortunately DJI listened to me and is releasing the Mavic Pro 4 next month, with excellent IQ as always for the pro line and finally, yes finally vertical shooting. Jesus they took their time…

That one is an instant buy! As for my R5, I am happy with it. The R5II is a joke for me, not too much reason to upgrade. Any new camera that is being released recently is not really better than the R5 so nothing to get excited about.
Well, the R5 II is not as much of a joke as the new Sony A1 II though. Those guys managed to release the exact same camera years later for $6500 haha

LOL : ) 

BTW how do you overcome or deal the overheating? 

BTW part 2, show us your work, always pleasing... Still in memory your trip to Cuba... That said, life is not only our life, family and real life out there. Or cameras. And anything related. Reason to not be gone only because you've satisfied your need... : ) Thus, I will receive this week some buddy I met here on EOSHD a few time ago (last decade, maybe?), thanks to this forum : ) I don't speak Polish, he doesn't speak Portuguese, Italian, Spansh or French as far as I am aware, so guess mates, what set of words we will be using, well, since or for many years now (so far so good : ) as our secondary language? ; ) We don't have communication theory nor aesthetics as subjects! = D

[MrSMW]

8 hours ago, IronFilm said:

Basically for a number of years then stills performances have been in a plateau of at best gradual improvement in image quality. Eventually we're starting to see the same happen for video image performance as well

I think certainly for stills, at least at ‘ordinary’ viewing levels which for 99.9999999999999% of all viewing these days is on a device and mainly a phone…and with compressed images at that!

The artist/craftsman in me still and always will fight back against that even if I am the only one that sees or even knows about it.

It’s one of the reasons I am chasing more megapixels. It’s not because I think it improves the image in any way as such, but because I can crop ever harder with a lower loss of quality which means I can use smaller and lighter kit which has so many benefits including enjoyment.

Tech for tech sake no. If it’s just data on a spreadsheet, who gives a shit, but when that tech relates to real world quality of life…

[Caleb Genheimer]

I don’t think CMOS has plateaued for the Comon Man quite yet. I do get the criticisms of over/under tests on the face of it, but the reality is? They’re Tests. I do find value in seeing what a particular camera is doing “down there” (or up in the highlights.) The fact is, as a test, over/under kinda beats out even a Xyla chart, because you can see HOW things blow out, or how they roll into black. Most of the time, I agree, modern CMOS has the chops to hit the stops on paper. But when you look at color performance and how the image rolls off, it immediately enters “not so pretty, is it?” territory.

There IS a reason Arri still almost universally enters the conversation. If you look at an Arri over/under? It holds on for more stops, and also doesn’t dive drastically towards strange colors. 100%, exposing a modern CMOS correctly will yield excellent performance, but in reality? Most sensors are gonna let you down if you get it wrong. They’re pretty unforgiving.

I could go on about Arri’s color separation, but that’s a whole other thing. 

[Andrew Reid]

On 3/6/2025 at 3:51 AM, wolf33d said:

Well I have been around, but this website is a bit dead, @Andrew Reid isn’t posting anymore.

Still posting on the main blog and plan to pick up the pace from now on, also with YouTube.

Social media isn't my favourite media.

So you can forgive me for not posting constant drivel for the sake of it everyday.

On 3/6/2025 at 3:51 AM, wolf33d said:

I agree with his panasonic post. The era of 5DII and Magic lantern and GH4s etc used to be fun. Now not so much.

It's still fun you just have to pay $3000+!!!

[newfoundmass]

On 3/5/2025 at 6:51 PM, Davide DB said:

Sorry guys, I had to do it.

I really don't get this guy anymore. This video would be perfect for the "Rise of the salesmen, Death of the artist" thread.

@Andrew Reid feel free to delete this post 

 

 

He could probably save himself all these headaches by giving more context in his videos if he feels that they are being misconstrued or misunderstood.

It's hard to feel too sorry for someone who created the problem he now has. He pigeonholed himself into being THAT guy because it was what got the most views aka generated the most revenue, and now he hates it.

Seems less like "Rise of the salesmen, Death of the artist" and more "Rise of the salesmen, Reaping what you sow."

[Ninpo33]

25 minutes ago, newfoundmass said:

He could probably save himself all these headaches by giving more context in his videos if he feels that they are being misconstrued or misunderstood.

It's hard to feel too sorry for someone who created the problem he now has. He pigeonholed himself into being THAT guy because it was what got the most views aka generated the most revenue, and now he hates it.

Seems less like "Rise of the salesmen, Death of the artist" and more "Rise of the salesmen, Reaping what you sow."

Exactly…!!!

Whether he likes it or not, he’s become a YouTube personality everyone trusts and goes to for “scientific results” and there are a lot of people that misconstrue his results. With the S1Rii all he had to do was say something like, “rolling shutter isn’t great, about the same as the other LUMIX cameras, turning DRE off will help a lot. This is a common trait of high res sensors like the A7RV and the SL3 so 8k readout speeds will be slow”

A line like that would have literally saved so many stupid comments and made this thing much less of an issue. He’s trying to blame LUMIX fan boys for people complaining when he really needs to check his ego and learn how to take constructive criticism. 

[Andrew Reid]

[Andrew Reid]

"Rolling shutter doesn't matter to me"

"Dynamic range doesn't matter to me"

It's like the Pope breaking down and saying Christmas doesn't matter to me!

[eatstoomuchjam]

Like I said the other day, this is a lot like his response to the Z Cam review where he complained throughout the whole thing about a file corruption problem that only happened if you ripped out the battery while recording (and was fixable by sending the file to Z Cam for repair).  A bunch of people correctly and politely told him that it really wasn't a big deal and he made a follow-up video whining that people felt attacked and tribal.  Almost nobody felt "attacked" - we just thought his review was stupid and got irritated that every dimwit who had never touched a Z Cam and got information from him would start complaining about file corruption if recording during power loss literally every time you mentioned the camera anywhere.

I don't have the patience to go re-watch his original review to see how many times he complained about rolling shutter on the S1R II, but I bet it's the same sort of thing.  Now every time anybody anywhere brings up the camera, there will be an army of his followers "but what about the rollllliinnnnngngggg shuuttttterrrrsssss???  go watch GURRAALLLDDDDD"
Meanwhile, yeah, 32ms rolling shutter is pretty bad.  I have it on my GFX 100 II in 8K mode and yeah, if something is moving horizontally through the frame at almost any speed, you will probably see it a little bit.  Solution?  Don't use that mode in those cases.  Works fine for plenty of other stuff.  Something's moving horizontally?  Better to just use the 4K mode that has like a 15-17ms readout.
Anybody with the S1R II will probably end up doing the same thing.  Seeing too many artifacts in the slow readout mode with horizontal movement?  Better to use a different mode for those scenes, then.  Ideal?  Nope.  A major problem?  Big nope.  Worth alleging some inclination to be negative because Jerry didn't get his free trip to the S9 event?  Yuuup.

Guess I'll go watch Gerald's dumb video now because apparently I like drama more than watching balanced reviews.