New US camera import tariffs - 25-50%

[KnightsFan]

1 hour ago, newfoundmass said:

But if you're a working class person that never went to college and are struggling to make ends meet, you know what you're probably not concerned too much about? Student loan forgiveness.

Yeah, I picked that example as something that I think can genuinely be debated, as opposed to fossil fuels and climate change. I'm very liberal, but its clear that simply forgiving loans has led to higher administrative costs in our education system--if we want to make it easier for students, forgiving loans with no other system changes is bad long term. And we can obviously find different potential solutions that allow people to get education that they want or need, without adding extra administrative costs to taxpayers.

So yes, I agree with everything you said, but I do think that there is a basic level of understanding the world that is willfully lacking among many on the right, with the willful part being key. There's a rebellion against rationality, logic, and understanding among my friends and family on the right, of which I have many. The very idea of gathering facts and using them to make an informed decision is a symptom of the Liberal Elites, and any attempt to do so is talking down. So I agree with everything you say, but my thesis is that many of those people who are looking for a life jacket believe that the process of sitting down and figuring out how to get a life jacket, is wrong.

 

 

The one positive thing I will say about tariffs, is that if higher prices lead to less consumption of useless goods, I'm all for it. Hopefully food and basic necessities can be left out of price hikes. Ideally we could find a way to keep people's first car nice and cheap. But if fewer people buy 2nd and 3rd cars, and we spend less energy building and throwing out shit we don't need, that is a good thing. Just wish there was more of a thoughtful plan.

[eatstoomuchjam]

2 hours ago, newfoundmass said:

Democrats need to reach out to the working class and win them back. You can't win elections without them, especially in the South and South West.

The problem with what you're saying here, and in other places above here, is that it's actually wrong.  Student loan forgiveness, sure, but a lot of Democrats including Kamala didn't run on LGBTQ rights (sure, her platform supported it, but it wasn't exactly a big topic in her speeches), global warming, or whatever other bogeyman your neighbors might think they did.

Democrats, including Harris, ran a center right campaign.  Their biggest mistake, I think, was in trying to appeal to people like your neighbors and the people in the South and Southwest who will never vote for them.  In doing so, they lost a whole lot of people on the left who are already not enthusiastic about voting for them.

Anyway.  The way Democrats would win some elections would be to actually do something.  When they're in power in Washington, they start claiming that they can't get anything done because Republicans are blocking them with procedural shenanigans or other similar stuff.  Now they're in the minority and claiming they can't do anything to block the Republicans.  Hell, Schumer and some others voted for the budget reconciliation package without demanding even a single concession.

Here in Minnesota, they got a lot more popular a few years ago because they finally had the trifecta of state house/state senate/governor for the first time in like 20 years and they decided to actually use their power to do things like add universal free lunch at schools.  It's one of the reasons that Walz was so popular that they decided to try to make him the VP.

The Republicans lose an election and they're in courts fighting it, on the news claiming that the other side cheated, etc.  The Democrats lose an election and they shake the other person's hand and say "good game."

Basically, the powers that be seem to think that it's 40-50 years ago and politics as usual.

[BTM_Pix]

It’s going to be like prohibition all over again.

The new B&H Photo branch will be a speakeasy selling smuggled camera bodies from Canada.

 

[Al Dolega]

4 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

It’s going to be like prohibition all over again.

The new B&H Photo branch will be a speakeasy selling smuggled camera bodies from Canada.

I live on the Detroit River... still plenty of Prohibition-era smuggling relics in this area- secret canals and tunnels and such. Maybe I should get a little dinghy and start making midnight runs for barrels full of bodies and lenses 😄

[Clark Nikolai]

11 hours ago, KnightsFan said:

I do think that there is a basic level of understanding the world that is willfully lacking among many on the right, with the willful part being key. There's a rebellion against rationality, logic, and understanding among my friends and family on the right, of which I have many. The very idea of gathering facts and using them to make an informed decision is a symptom of the Liberal Elites, and any attempt to do so is talking down.

Yeah, I've been watching this for a long time, since at least the 1980s. That anyone who is educated is wrong and just observing things from your immediate surroundings is enough to know the whole world. I remember in the '80s visiting some farmer friends here in Canada, they were setting up a barn and had the walls in backwards which would cause it to collapse later. When this was pointed out by their son (who had travelled the world) one of them went on a rant about "the left wing professors who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground."

In 2016, when Trump was campaigning, here in Vancouver there were three Americans from California on a visit. One was originally from Texas whose grandparents were Mexican. He was pro-Trump and went on about how dumb and dirty the Mexicans are and how we're lucky in Canada how we don't put up with any of that (He wasn't aware that Canada is full of Mexicans but anyway...). One other was also pro-Trump and was proud that he only had a Grade 3 education so was a real person and not brainwashed by the leftist whoevers in the education system. Somehow that made him smarter than someone with a degree. The third person was suspicious of Trump and didn't know what to think of his two friends cult-like admiration of him and the MAGA movement.

It seems to be a thing with right wing parties now. A technique where when campaigning they promise a better life but when in power they do things so that systemic problems are not solved. If you think about it, when times are good people vote liberal, when times are bad people vote conservative. This means that it would go against their own longevity for conservative parties to improve things.

[Marcio Kabke Pinheiro]

On 4/3/2025 at 7:33 AM, Andrew Reid said:

Anyone still under the magic spell of nationalism thinking Trump is so great is about to get a massive fucking wake up call when they look at their bank account.

Nope, they won´t. If social media does not become regulated and co-reponsible for the content they publish, they won't.

He had our Trump here in Brazil, Jair Bolsonaro. He blocked the Covid vaccines for months - Pfizer offered their vaccines for a very low price as soon as it was approved, because they wanted to use Brazil as an example. They sent 101 emails (yep) for all the authorities, NONE had an answer. A congressional investigation after discovered that it was blocked because some of their allies were trying to put some intermediates on vaccines to profit around US$1 per dose.

More than 700.000 people died in Brazil because of Covid. A father of a friend and a grandmother of another friend between them, both very healthy, more than 5 months after the Pfizer offer. They probably be alive today.

Bolsonaro even tried a coup - in the election day, he sent the federal road police to make blockades "for safety" - but only in places that he was in a major advantage, to try to block people to get to local vote places. In Jan 8th 2023, they incited people to broke into all the major institutions, a version of the USA's Jan 6th; but here it was like the White House, The Capitol and the Supreme Court were invaded and destroyed. It was a plan to force the new president to call the military forces - than the militaries would depose the new government.

With some luck, the riot was dissolved, a investigation was opened, an a lot of coup plans were discovered - as with Trump, their allies and dumbfucks lunatics, and coup plans were found handwritten over their desks...plans that included killing the current president, the vice-president and one Supreme Court judge. They tried to explode a gasoline truck in front of the Brasilia airport in the Christmas Eve, since it was full of people.

They are prosecuted now, and probably will go to jail (in factm, probably Bolsonaro will fly to Argentina or USA to not be arrested).

And even with all this, around 35 to 38% of the population would vote for him.

Because a majority of Brazil's population are permanently addicted to social media. Almost all of these 38% reads nothing else than far-right channels in Whatsapp and Telegram - they are bombarded so much by fake news that they believe in no one more than these info. Like Q'Anon guys.

I have relatives, that were (and in a good part stills) some of the most honest and caring people that I know, and they firmly believe than now we live in a dictartorship that only Bolsonaro could destroy. That China will invade Brazil through Uruguay. That Bill Gates patented the Covid virus. All bombarded by social media.

If I put a video with some copywrighted music in Youtube, in less than a minute I receive a warning. A FUCKING MUSIC - much more hard to pinpoint than words or images. Don't try to convince me that they cannot spot fake news on the fly.

But they will not be accountable. And the consequences will be VERY bad - because USA will be hit with a massive reccession, but the far right will say that other countries, or the immigrants, or ANYHTING stupid are the real culprits, and these people will believe.

And I see no easy outcome for this.

[mtol]

"Blackmagic PYXIS 12K Camera Price Increased by 32% to $6,595 in the USA Due to Tariffs" via CineD

Full article: https://www.cined.com/blackmagic-pyxis-12k-camera-price-increased-by-32-to-6595-in-the-usa-due-to-tariffs/

"It has only been two days since the announcement of the very promising cinema camera Blackmagic PYXIS 12K. The initially announced price of $4,995 for the US market is now corrected on the manufacturer’s website and shows $6,595, which is a 32% increase caused by the new reciprocal tariffs imposed on imported products in the USA."

[Marcio Kabke Pinheiro]

DJI Pocket 3 in B&H went from $519 to $619.

[ntblowz]

Does that makes the people rather travel outside US to buy the camera overseas instead?  I've done it a few times as the price here is always outrageous

[mtol]

1 hour ago, ntblowz said:

Does that makes the people rather travel outside US to buy the camera overseas instead?  I've done it a few times as the price here is always outrageous

As a Canadian I have always envied US prices! I think that has changed!

[MurtlandPhoto]

B&H has adjusted the price back to the original $4995. 

[Clark Nikolai]

1 hour ago, ntblowz said:

Does that makes the people rather travel outside US to buy the camera overseas instead? 

In Canada, at one time, electronics from Asia (mostly Japan in those days), had Canadian tariffs applied (to protect Canadian electronics manufacturing, yes we once had that). This meant many people travelled to the US to buy electronics. Shopping malls opened up close to the Canadian border to sell to them. At some point in the 1980s that changed and then the price was about the same.

[JulioD]

On 4/4/2025 at 7:56 AM, Clark Nikolai said:

That anyone who is educated is wrong and just observing things from your immediate surroundings is enough to know the whole world.

The majority of Americans are proudly anti-intellectual, anti-science, anti educated, and anti-ideas.

 

 

[eatstoomuchjam]

9 hours ago, Marcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

I have relatives, that were (and in a good part stills) some of the most honest and caring people that I know, and they firmly believe than now we live in a dictartorship that only Bolsonaro could destroy. That China will invade Brazil through Uruguay. That Bill Gates patented the Covid virus. All bombarded by social media.

And Brazil has stricter and better laws about hate speech and false reporting than the US - the reason that Twitter and Starlink were recently shut off in the country for a while.  It's even worse here where that's not even a thing.

42 minutes ago, JulioD said:

The majority of Americans are proudly anti-intellectual, anti-science, anti educated, and anti-ideas.

Speaking as someone from the US, this is more true than I'd like it to be.

[BTM_Pix]

10 hours ago, MurtlandPhoto said:

B&H has adjusted the price back to the original $4995. 

They must be considering that the expected release date is far enough away for sanity to prevail and the additional tariff is removed by the time they are actually available.

Its not beyond the bounds of possibility that BM delay it even beyond the expected date of July for the same reasons.

 

[eatstoomuchjam]

1 hour ago, BTM_Pix said:

They must be considering that the expected release date is far enough away for sanity to prevail and the additional tariff is removed by the time they are actually available.

Its not beyond the bounds of possibility that BM delay it even beyond the expected date of July for the same reasons.

It would definitely help their sales numbers in the US.  As it is, a $6600 Pyxis is going to be a much harder sell than a $7700 UC12K, other than that the Pyxis is so much smaller and lighter.  Otherwise, most people who were going to spend about $7,000 on a BM camera probably already did with the UC and/or will continue to hold out for the bigger camera with a less silly screen, built-in ND's, etc.

[BTM_Pix]

3 minutes ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

t would definitely help their sales numbers in the US.  As it is, a $6600 Pyxis is going to be a much harder sell than a $7700 UC12K, other than that the Pyxis is so much smaller and lighter.

I'm wondering what the situation is with the UC12K as it is still listed at the original price on BM's website.

Whether that means they have a large amount of existing stock already in the US prior to the tariffs or they are again holding back until the situation is clearer.

If it goes the same way as the PYXIS then its all of a sudden going to be a $10K camera.

The people holding out to get a $7K 12K BM camera will then have to turn to the PYXIS 12K.

Its a complete mess, particularly as it is coinciding with NAB so people are going there to buy a new camera now have no idea what their current budget is going to get them or if they are going to have to up their budget.

Its all relative though, of course, as the impact of the price of 12K Cinema cameras pales into insignificance when the impact of whats going on is measured on things that actually really matter 🙂 

[eatstoomuchjam]

I think Blackmagic are still figuring things out.  Right now, I see the UC12K (body only) listed at "Only $7,695" - it was $7,000 when I bought mine a few weeks ago.  I'm assuming the 10% increase is based on it being made in Australia instead of China.

And now the Pyxis 12K is showing up as $5,495 which is a price at which they have at least some chance of selling it.  The old price seemed to be based on making it in China.  Maybe they're going to shift production to Australia or another less-tariffed country.

Do people go to NAB to buy things?  When I went pre-covid, there were no sales on the floor.  It was just a trade show with items for display, not for purchase.

And yes, cinema cameras are just a thing where I pay some attention to prices so it's a little bit of a barometer for me for the prices of all things.  And judging by this microcosm, it's chaos and nobody really knows/understands what's up.

[MrSMW]

More companies need to import stuff through the Heard and MacDonald Islands whilst the opportunity exists.

Oh wait, too late, that loophole of zero human, only penguin residents, has been closed.

[Thpriest]

7 minutes ago, MrSMW said:

More companies need to import stuff through the Heard and MacDonald Islands whilst the opportunity exists.

Oh wait, too late, that loophole of zero human, only penguin residents, has been closed.

I think importing through Russia might be your best bet.