DBounce Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 It's seems to just get better. Looks like Sony might have knocked one out of the park with this camera...Link to story http://www.newsshooter.com/2015/08/02/sony-a7r-ii-part-iii-5-axis-stabilisation-and-heat-issues-going-handheld-to-tell-the-story-of-a-london-busker/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agolex Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Looks and sounds really decent. Right now I'm thinking a7rii as A and rx10ii as B cam might be the way to go. The XLR-adapter really is a treat and it works on both cameras. If the a7rii's stills are as good as I think they might be, I could get rid of the Nikon D800 for stills, the NX1 and hope that the Sony has come down in price by then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 @agolex You can download raw samples here: http://www.photographyblog.com/previews/sony_a7r_ii_photos/Photoshop CC supports them. I tried a few and the dynamic range looks amazing - as we can expect from a Sony-sensor. I'm pretty sure it will be on par - at least - with the D800. agolex 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 "One thing I discovered about half way into the shoot was that the camera has a tendency to overheat when recording in 4K for extended periods"I wonder what an "extensive period" might be at 90F outside temps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agolex Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 @agolex You can download raw samples here: http://www.photographyblog.com/previews/sony_a7r_ii_photos/Photoshop CC supports them. I tried a few and the dynamic range looks amazing - as we can expect from a Sony-sensor. I'm pretty sure it will be on par - at least - with the D800.Thanks again. : ) I'd also love the e-shutter for timelapse, always felt bad for the Nikon when I heard it snap every 20 seconds. Julian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labirdman Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Thanks again. : ) I'd also love the e-shutter for timelapse, always felt bad for the Nikon when I heard it snap every 20 seconds. Be aware that fully electronic shutter drops the image to 12-bit precision. It's in the manual. Bulb, continuous, continuous bracket mode do the same.At low ISOs, this equates to about a 1-stop noise increase and a 1-stop loss in dynamic range. Bummer. kaylee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 At low ISOs, this equates to about a 1-stop noise increase and a 1-stop loss in dynamic range. Bummer.Proof?14 bit vs 12 bit raw is hardly noticeable imo.https://photographylife.com/14-bit-vs-12-bit-raw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labirdman Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Proof?14 bit vs 12 bit raw is hardly noticeable imo.https://photographylife.com/14-bit-vs-12-bit-rawhttp://blog.kasson.com/?p=8586Your humble opinion is factually incorrect. Palpet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 True, I see the difference there. So the conclusion is: more noise if you adjust the exposure +5 stops... I could live with that when shooting timelapses.The real world tests I liked to don't show any difference at all and I don't think it's very likely anyone would do any more extreme edits in a practical situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francesco Spiezia Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Overheating and shutting down is not a good thing by any stretch.... What happened to the clip, did it close itself out and also how long did it take to cool down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labirdman Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 True, I see the difference there. So the conclusion is: more noise if you adjust the exposure +5 stops... I could live with that when shooting timelapses.The real world tests I liked to don't show any difference at all and I don't think it's very likely anyone would do any more extreme edits in a practical situation.One of the huge advantages of the exmor sensor is of course the ability to do extreme shadow recovery in scenes presenting a huge dynamic range. Nikon is able to use the sensor to its fullest potential; Sony, ironically, as of yet, cannot, even though it's their sensor. Lucky for you, you don't care. It matters to me. If it didn't, I'd still be shooting Canon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agolex Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 One of the huge advantages of the exmor sensor is of course the ability to do extreme shadow recovery in scenes presenting a huge dynamic range. Nikon is able to use the sensor to its fullest potential; Sony, ironically, as of yet, cannot, even though it's their sensor. Lucky for you, you don't care. It matters to me. If it didn't, I'd still be shooting Canon.I don't expect the Sonys to beat the Nikons in every regard, not even my D800. I prefer the mirror with pentaprism to all EVF-stuff, I find it more responsive and direct. It's just that the a7rii would be such a nice all-in-one package, that's about the only reason I would be willing to switch. And like I said above, I kinda feel bad taking prololonged timelapses with the Nikon, because it wears the thing down (not to mention the resulting shutter dust/oil spots). In the end, though, I wouldn't be surprised if the Sonys would have to be repaired earlier because of things like the IBIS and less quality in general. It's all a matter of compromise to me. What I would love without exception, though: not having to use the retarded reverse focus mechanism of the Nikon lenses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz Pierre Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Something as simple as a reverse gear on a follow focus solves the Nikon lens focusing direction...As the AF-S 28-70 f2.8 Ed and AF-S 80-200 lenses are the best I've ever used, its a small thing to deal with...for the privilege of using Nikon glass of that quality! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agolex Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Something as simple as a reverse gear on a follow focus solves the Nikon lens focusing direction...As the AF-S 28-70 f2.8 Ed and AF-S 80-200 lenses are the best I've ever used, its a small thing to deal with...for the privilege of using Nikon glass of that quality!I don't wanna use a follow focus, I wanna stay light. And the D800 is no good for video. ; ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neosushi Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 It's seems to just get better. Looks like Sony might have knocked one out of the park with this camera...Link to story http://www.newsshooter.com/2015/08/02/sony-a7r-ii-part-iii-5-axis-stabilisation-and-heat-issues-going-handheld-to-tell-the-story-of-a-london-busker/Am I the only one to find the greyish color skin to be kind of weird ?? Fritz Pierre 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agolex Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Am I the only one to find the greyish color skin to be kind of weird ??Didn't notice, some of the good ol' S-Gamut magic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregormannschaft Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 If the A7r II has stabilization internally and Canon EF glass has stabilization.... What would happen if you use the A7R with Canon EF glass with Image stabilization? Add in a shoulder rig too. I'm not stupid it won't be like a DJI Ronin or Steadicam, but what would it look like when running and other things?It would still move, a lot. Rigs cut down mostly on ugly micro jitters you get when you hold things handheld for prolonged periods of time and give movement a different feeling.Ok, you've asked this question everywhere and I think you mean what would happen with the A7rii if you paired it with a Canon Lens with IS. Well, this:https://www.youtube.com/embed/2aHJ8ToZ75Y Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristo Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I still do not understand exactly if 5 axis IBIS is good for video.I remember an andrew test with an A7 II and he was not very happy with the IBIS.There is no real test about the IBIS for video.Some people say if you use a non native sony lense you will get 3 axis stabilization, other people say it is wrong if you specify the focal length in the menu you will have a 5 axis stabilization, other say you need to use a sony lense with OSS to get 5 axis stabilization in video, other say you will have 5 axis stabilisation with a sony sense like the FE 35mm f 2,8 even there is no OSS???IBIS I think is one of the feature we want know about and nobody performs a video test even with an A7 II (hope with an A7R II) where you compare handheld shot with:Native oss lense for example 16-35 f4 OSS Sony at 35 mm vs Sony FE 35 mm f2,8 vs non sony glass like nikon or leica M 35 mm with adapter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted August 3, 2015 Author Share Posted August 3, 2015 I seem to recall reading that the IBIS in the A7Rii is an updated version to the one in the A7ii. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier Plagaro Mussard Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 When you talk about stabilization the proof is in the pudding, specs are useless. Two stabilization systems could perform better than one or worse. You must try. I suppose the Sony IBIS will probably be studied to work well with Sony OSS. But with Canon IS, who knows?? And if you put all of this on a gimbal, who knows?? The video posted by Gregormannschaft seems like Canon IS 24-105 a very good combination! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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