MattH Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 In the latest video, perhaps the tones are less flat, but the colour of some peoples skin is really orange. The blond woman with the baby at 1 min 14, and the shadows on the face of the boy/girl at 15 seconds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRenaissanceMan Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 When you increase contrast, you have to dial back saturation in response. This will also help mask any minor color sins in your grade. Otherwise, it's a big improvement. You'll get even better results with contrast at -2 in camera, before compression. Zak Forsman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Forsman Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 yeah, I tend to keep contrast at 0 in camera because there are things that the GH4 does to the colors in the image when you try to flatten things out that are permanent and kinda ugly and better handled in post. I like a low contrast image and have better results dropping contrast in post than i do in camera. with the GH4, that is. TheRenaissanceMan and JazzBox 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntblowz Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 The Arri alexa lut works pretty well, use it on the NX1 (flat), GH4 (Cine D) and A7S (cine 4) footage, GH4 and A7s makes much improvement since skin tone on NX1 is pretty good already, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted August 11, 2015 Author Share Posted August 11, 2015 In the latest video, perhaps the tones are less flat, but the colour of some peoples skin is really orange. The blond woman with the baby at 1 min 14, and the shadows on the face of the boy/girl at 15 seconds.Yeah the second video is more of a stylized look rather than true color, but I agree. If I spent time on it I'd use a secondary qualifier on their skin and bring down the yellow.When you increase contrast, you have to dial back saturation in response. This will also help mask any minor color sins in your grade. Otherwise, it's a big improvement. You'll get even better results with contrast at -2 in camera, before compression.yeah, I tend to keep contrast at 0 in camera because there are things that the GH4 does to the colors in the image when you try to flatten things out that are permanent and kinda ugly and better handled in post. I like a low contrast image and have better results dropping contrast in post than i do in camera. with the GH4, that is. What do you guys keep the saturation at in camera? TheRenaissanceMan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 I have been messing around with the Color Finale trial and the Alexa to rec709 LUT works nicely on ultra flat nx500 footage and pretty good on a5100 footage as well. You have to lower the opacity a bit, but it seems to be a great starting point. TheRenaissanceMan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Forsman Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 i keep saturation at -2. for me, the GH4 has somewhat been a return to the "get your look in camera" days. i've had a chance to play around with v-log and those days might behind us when they release it later this year. the flexibility looks promising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted August 11, 2015 Author Share Posted August 11, 2015 i keep saturation at -2. for me, the GH4 has somewhat been a return to the "get your look in camera" days. i've had a chance to play around with v-log and those days might behind us when they release it later this year. the flexibility looks promising.The clip that I downloaded from Driftwood looked great. Very promising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredrik Lyhne Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Yeah, that Alexa LUT does make for a nice look. It's little more contrasty than I'd like to go, personally. But an excellent starting point overall. Here's some more clips shot in the Natural profile (0, -5, -5, -2, 0) that I've applied my own custom LUT to. Your footage looks great! Since you turn NR to -5 do you apply NR in post to all clips? Would you still recommend NR -5 even with no NR in post? I'm planning to purchase Neat Video but I want to se if I can manage without. Basically I'm trying to find out the best NR setting in camera without using NR in post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted August 17, 2015 Author Share Posted August 17, 2015 i keep saturation at -2. for me, the GH4 has somewhat been a return to the "get your look in camera" days. i've had a chance to play around with v-log and those days might behind us when they release it later this year. the flexibility looks promising.So I tried adding ONLY an input LUT to the V-Log footage. AlexaLOGtoREC709, with a tad bit saturation. That is all. Colors are looking great IMO. jase, TheRenaissanceMan, Zak Forsman and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted August 18, 2015 Author Share Posted August 18, 2015 And here is V-Log > AlexaLOGtoREC709 > Osiris M31 LUT JazzBox, jase and TheRenaissanceMan 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JazzBox Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Dear all, I normally shoot with Cine-D oe Cine-V, but some days ago I had to shoot with both GH4 and G6, so I used Natural with contrast -3 and sharpness and saturation all the way down. I had very nice (and similar) results.I use Final Cut Pro X: is it possible to use LUT with it?Thank you very much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PannySVHS Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 So I tried adding ONLY an input LUT to the V-Log footage. AlexaLOGtoREC709, with a tad bit saturation. That is all. Colors are looking great IMO. Hey Aaron,is this 10bit footage? Wonder what 8bit V-Log could do. Doesn´t matter anyhow, it´s never gonna be available for GH4cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted August 19, 2015 Author Share Posted August 19, 2015 Dear all, I normally shoot with Cine-D oe Cine-V, but some days ago I had to shoot with both GH4 and G6, so I used Natural with contrast -3 and sharpness and saturation all the way down. I had very nice (and similar) results.I use Final Cut Pro X: is it possible to use LUT with it?Thank you very much!I've had luck with Andrew's LOG converter with Portrait and Natural. You'll then be able to use LOG LUTs. Hey Aaron,is this 10bit footage? Wonder what 8bit V-Log could do. Doesn´t matter anyhow, it´s never gonna be available for GH4cheersYes it is 10 bit. I'm curious to see 8 bit flexibility as well, but if it's anything like the C100 it won't be much different. JazzBox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRenaissanceMan Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 I've had luck with Andrew's LOG converter with Portrait and Natural. You'll then be able to use LOG LUTs. Yes it is 10 bit. I'm curious to see 8 bit flexibility as well, but if it's anything like the C100 it won't be much different.I've already seen a big difference in color integrity between 8-bit and 10-bit recording with a LUT applied. https://vimeo.com/101350338 Don Kotlos 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JazzBox Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I've had luck with Andrew's LOG converter with Portrait and Natural. You'll then be able to use LOG LUTs. Yes it is 10 bit. I'm curious to see 8 bit flexibility as well, but if it's anything like the C100 it won't be much different.Thank you very much!Do you know if it is possible to load LUTs in Final Cut Pro X? I'm not able, maybe I need to use Resolve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jase Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Thank you very much!Do you know if it is possible to load LUTs in Final Cut Pro X? I'm not able, maybe I need to use Resolve?You have to use something like LUTutility for that, or you can try ColorFinale. JazzBox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JazzBox Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 You have to use something like LUTutility for that, or you can try ColorFinale.Thank you very much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted August 20, 2015 Author Share Posted August 20, 2015 I've already seen a big difference in color integrity between 8-bit and 10-bit recording with a LUT applied. https://vimeo.com/101350338There is some difference. I asked Driftwood about it and he said that you can notice a difference on a 10 bit monitor and with bitrate detection software. Not sure if he means there's no big difference on 8 bit monitors or what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRenaissanceMan Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 There is some difference. I asked Driftwood about it and he said that you can notice a difference on a 10 bit monitor and with bitrate detection software. Not sure if he means there's no big difference on 8 bit monitors or what.I notice a difference, and it becomes very clear during color correction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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