gh2sound Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Know not a single filmmaker (and without ratifying their roles - (doing the dream jobs - Olympics, Victoria Secrets, Superbowl Oscars blah etc) that owns a single camera, or would ever buy one (other than tax reasons lol) Yes a dichotomy of why we're noodling here, but .... why buy? Intrigued. What are the benefits? Even Tax wise can't be good can it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzynormal Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Know not a single filmmaker (and without ratifying their roles - (doing the dream jobs - Olympics, Victoria Secrets, Superbowl Oscars blah etc) that owns a single camera, or would ever buy one (other than tax reasons lol) Yes a dichotomy of why we're noodling here, but .... why buy? Intrigued. What are the benefits? Even Tax wise can't be good can it?There's a big difference between "real" cameras and the kind of stuff hobbyists and industrial shooters (like me!) use. I shot 4 different projects this week, and two of them were last minute things, so renting on my level is not really viable. I need something to go out the door with without much lead time.Also, for the crap I do, I get paid less than it costs to provide craft services to a real shoot. I need a camera that's cheap and easy. That's my end of the pool.BTW, I shot an actual Super Bowl spot once. With a Canon XH-A1 no less. Actually, it was a CBS media network promo, does that count? Xavier Plagaro Mussard and tosvus 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Policar Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I think most people here are hobbyists. I have a lot of friends shooting for Vice, etc. C300 or Amira owner/ops and they do well working as wet hires at that level. On the higher end less so. If I can add $300/day to my rate by owning a C100 or $700/day to my rate by owning an Epic, I'll do that. But if I'm getting $50,000/day I don't care.Still, Bay owns a 235 and probably an Epic or two. I think more creatives own cameras than you think, they just rent higher end ones for paid shoots! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzynormal Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Still, Bay owns a 235I don't know who you're talking about. Zak Forsman and Xavier Plagaro Mussard 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy Jones Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I think most people here are hobbyists. I have a lot of friends shooting for Vice, etc. C300 or Amira owner/ops and they do well working as wet hires at that level. On the higher end less so. If I can add $300/day to my rate by owning a C100 or $700/day to my rate by owning an Epic, I'll do that. But if I'm getting $50,000/day I don't care.Still, Bay owns a 235 and probably an Epic or two. I think more creatives own cameras than you think, they just rent higher end ones for paid shoots! Doesn't Peter Jackson own like 50 Reds. And James Cameron is close behind I think.I guess there's a difference between them and true DP's though. But if I'm Richard Deakins or Bob Richardson and I want to shoot the flowers in my back yard, I have probably a couple dozen numbers I could dial and an Alexa will be there in like 15 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Policar Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I don't know who you're talking about.The greatest visual director of his generation. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzynormal Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 The greatest visual director of his generation.Ha! Sarcasm, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcs Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Ha! Sarcasm, right?No. Can't argue with the box office. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Miguel Bahía? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzynormal Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 No. Can't argue with the box office.Actually, I always argue with box office, record sales, home improvement design, etc. Creating materials and content for the largest collection of market requires a certain mundanity that allows for that broad appeal.It's why comedy slapstick will never go away. A 5 year old and a 95 year old can relate to it; Rich man or poor man. It's not anything great, just silly. Which is fine, but nothing that necessarily needs to be exalted and appreciated on a particularly impressive level. On the other hand, you can't hand Faulkner to a 12 year old and expect him to have any profound self-reflection after reading through it. You can't get most people to do that. It's just beyond their grasp. Thus, less accessible. Which book is more impressive and which has broader appeal: http://tinyurl.com/ogmx44b or http://tinyurl.com/nc4n33dSame concept goes for the cheap door you'd buy at a Home Depot or that new Taylor Swift album.So, no, I don't readily agree that financial success is in any way a marker of creative success. Not in this society. The complete opposite. Zak Forsman, bamigoreng and sudopera 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbp Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I can see where you are coming from when it comes to the big guns. I find it a bit strange that people on reduser will take out huge loans for their cameras. Unless they have a steady stream of high end business. But something like a gh4, A7S, BMPCC, why not? They are cheap enough to get even for goofing off and practicing. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Policar Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Ha! Sarcasm, right?Just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafreaking Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 One-man-bands definitely need to own at least one camera. There are shoots that will be jus fine with a 5D, A7s, etc. There are some you would want higher end stuff and would be very difficult to pull off and sell as a one man band. Can always rent for those. It's truly based on your needs. Personally speaking, I own a T3i and use it for the odd personal project and stuff where people would pay me a small amount. If I am being paid a decent rate, I always rent either an A7s or three or a C100. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzynormal Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Just my opinion.FWIW, I would love to hear you, or anyone, explain that opinion. And I'm not being snarky or anything. I would genuinely like to hear from someone that is earnestly impressed with his work and why it deserves any recognition beyond the superficial. It seems to me he's the directing equivalent of a guy that knows a lot of vocabulary but can't diagram a sentence...and he yells all his words with lots of exclamation points. So, yeah, not a fan, but I'll listen to reason.As it stands, I will grant you that he's at a modern vanguard of deconstructing the expectation of cohesive film narrative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Forsman Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 let me tell you a little anecdote that sums up Michael bay for me. on the set of the first transformers movie, I saw him bark orders at his camera dept with a megaphone. they were standing six feet from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzynormal Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I saw him bark orders at his camera dept with a megaphone.I was speaking figuratively, but the literal isn't a surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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