nogohome Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 http://www.slashcam.de/news/single/Sony-FS5-und-A7S-II---Antworten-zu-S-Log-3--Slowmo-12374.htmla german video news site passed questions from their readers on to the sony guys at IBC, some replies were:- rolling shutter is the same as a7s, same sensor, only stabilized- slow motion (120fps) is 1:1 sensor cropped HD, crop factor 2.2Not saying this has to be true, but it could be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 http://www.slashcam.de/news/single/Sony-FS5-und-A7S-II---Antworten-zu-S-Log-3--Slowmo-12374.htmla german video news site passed questions from their readers on to the sony guys at IBC, some replies were:- rolling shutter is the same as a7s, same sensor, only stabilized- slow motion (120fps) is 1:1 sensor cropped HD, crop factor 2.2Not saying this has to be true, but it could be.That makes sence. Had they improved roling shutter it would have been plastered all over.The A7rII will keep me warm for now Thanks for the input Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anchoricex Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Looks like no 4k for aps-c mode Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattH Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 http://www.slashcam.de/news/single/Sony-FS5-und-A7S-II---Antworten-zu-S-Log-3--Slowmo-12374.htmla german video news site passed questions from their readers on to the sony guys at IBC, some replies were:- rolling shutter is the same as a7s, same sensor, only stabilized- slow motion (120fps) is 1:1 sensor cropped HD, crop factor 2.2Not saying this has to be true, but it could be.lol, yeah because readout is dependent only on the sensor. Everyone on this forum knows more than most of the people they have working at those show booths.If the second fact is correct then it completely contradicts sonys own press release.Copied from here http://***URL removed***/articles/3339099295/sony-a7s-ii-shoots-up-to-iso-409-600:"In a first for the α7 series, the α7S II can record 120fps at 100Mbps[vii] with full pixel readout without pixel binning in full frame format which can be edited into wonderful 4x/5x slow motion footage[viii] in Full HD."If the press release is correct then the camera can do a full pixel readout in 8.33ms (1000/120). And I dont see why they would slow it down when recording 4k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 lol, yeah because readout is dependent only on the sensor. Everyone on this forum knows more than most of the people they have working at those show booths.If the second fact is correct then it completely contradicts sonys own press release.Copied from here http://***URL removed***/articles/3339099295/sony-a7s-ii-shoots-up-to-iso-409-600:"In a first for the α7 series, the α7S II can record 120fps at 100Mbps[vii] with full pixel readout without pixel binning in full frame format which can be edited into wonderful 4x/5x slow motion footage[viii] in Full HD."If the press release is correct then the camera can do a full pixel readout in 8.33ms (1000/120). And I dont see why they would slow it down when recording 4k.Improving the rolling shutter from 32 to 8 msec is quite an achievement and if true I find hard to believe they forgot to advertise.Now the interviewer might be wrong, expressing his own beliefs or the translation bad, but here is another part from that article:"For the recording time is limited only by a possible overheating or the European 29 minutes limit" Julian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wang Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Dang. Sony's been cooking up something! Quite pricey, but then again I was only expecting internal 4K and some minor changes. S-LOG3 and 5-axis IBIS is pretty sweet.Some the feedback I saw for the A7RII is the 4K video IQ is not that great, even worse than the NX1. Will A7SII produce better 4K IQ than A7RII? Marco Tecno 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Tecno Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Wang, nx1 is a very capable camera, so I don't understand why you say 'even worse than nx1', as if it were shitty... Shield3 and iamoui 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 1. No crop 4K 2. 2 stops better than A7rii (FF / S35 ?)3. Rolling shutter same as A7rii (FF / S35 ?)4. Overheating same as A7rii (FF / S35 ?)5. color science same as A7rii (improved over A7s) other than slog3/sgamut3.6. Assisted gamma. Something like lut. This is very nice when trying to set exposure and wb.7. 1600 for slog3, 3200 for slog2From :http://www.newsshooter.com/2015/09/11/ibc-2015-a-detailed-look-at-the-new-sony-a7s-ii-camera/ kaylee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaylee Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 theres a lot of good things here in the a7s2. that being said my priorities for Things to Fix on the Original A7s, in order, are:• COLOR• rolling shutter* etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volker Schmidt Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Look at the grading - from 0:35... Sony colors at it´s best!Sorry for sarcasm, but the publicity department from Sony, definitely fails sometimes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 theres a lot of good things here in the a7s2. that being said my priorities for Things to Fix on the Original A7s, in order, are:• COLOR• rolling shutter* etc...That magenta for red? Apart Slog3, IBIS and internal 4K (a7RII only Slog2), what else for new? With no mention lower stills resolution.Hold on kaylee, better to bet on the a7RII. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gelaxstudio Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Hoping this prompts Canon to respond with 5Dc.4K and 120P FHD over C100 M2？ Impossible！ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassius McGowan Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Still don't understand the purpose of making another camera that can't shoot for over 20-30min w/o overheating. *shakes head* kaylee, Marco Tecno, Shield3 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Still don't understand the purpose of making another camera that can't shoot for over 20-30min w/o overheating. *shakes head*Sony's plan cannot get any clearer:Get an A7rii for high res stills,then an A7sII for low light video,then an FS5/7 for actual work, and next year start all over again. User, kaylee, TheRenaissanceMan and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shield3 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Looks like no 4k for aps-c mode Well, how could it? It's like what, 5.5 Megapixel in APS-C crop mode? Not enough resolution left for 4k in this mode. iamoui and Liam 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattH Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Still don't understand the purpose of making another camera that can't shoot for over 20-30min w/o overheating. *shakes head*We don't know that it will overheat in that time, if at all. We do know that it will stop at 30 minutes because of the tax limitation. Though for over 3000 euros you think some of that would go towards paying a video camera duty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaylee Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Sony's plan cannot get any cleaner:Get an A7rii for high res stills,then an A7sII for low light video,then an FS5/7 for actual work, and next year start all over again. and an rx10m2 as a slomo/b cam right??? lol smh That magenta for red? Apart Slog3, IBIS and internal 4K (a7RII only Slog2), what else for new? With no mention lower stills resolution.Hold on kaylee, better to bet on the a7RII.regarding my comment: whether this implementation of slog3 proves to improve color vs slog2 dramatically within this 8 bit output remains to be seen; ill be watching carefully. ive read a lot about slog3, but have never been convinced by my eyes at all. i want to believe. show me~!/im agnostic at best about both the cameras you mentioned as a hybrid shooter. the aesthetic of sensor size not withstanding, these cameras have NOT blown away a gh4 yet for video imo. they will soon enough if sony keeps running their own models out of business with rapid updates, buttt.... its about prioritiessony can barely write a press release. i work for a tech company *cough* that "gets" photography more than they do....... and im buying a note 5 imo theres some big ideas getting lost in the details Don Kotlos and Mattias Burling 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gelaxstudio Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Shame on you Sony, for using the A7RII hype to sell overpriced gear.Overpriced becaus no any other competitor can do what it do~ 14 stops DR，120P FHD without banning ，body IS，super lowlight and Phase Detection AF on canon 、nikon lens！LOL！ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted September 12, 2015 Super Members Share Posted September 12, 2015 I'm gonna stay somewhere between agnostic and skeptical to it having 14 stops. neosushi and iamoui 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douglaurent Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 The A7S2 is max worth half of the A7R2. Compared the A7S2 has lots of disadvantages, for example it's not a usable pro photo camera. And there are no advantages, as for example anything above ISO 25.600 is not usable anyway. Needing super extreme lowlight is as rare as using a Nikon D810a because of it's Astro features. This makes the A7S2 a super specialist camera, with just one focal range. The A7R2 does not only have 2 crop modes, with the internal clear zoom in S35 mode it will have an extended range using 15 to 8MP of the sensor. You literally get a 400/2.8 for free with that camera if you own a 200/2.8, which makes the 42MP sensor fantastic not only for stills. The combination of an A7R2 and RX100 IV is far better than anything else Sony has to offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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