jagnje Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 When I first started out filming with DSLRs it wa a very exciting time, magic lantern changed so much, gh1-gh2s amazing details with bitrate hacks...it was a very exciting time, where we weren`t waiting on a new camera, but a new camera hack. what happened to this "movement"? have cameras been pushed to the end, are they hack protected that well or have manufacturers just give us everything we wanted in budget dslr/slr? Magic lanter seems to be at a standstill, no hacks for the GH series since the gh3. there seems to be alot of effort put in hacking the nikon cameras, but is taking very long due to a small team.So, what do you think? With cameras being more and more app based, why aren`t there any apps? we have them for phones, tablest, but not cameras... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanveer Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 When I first started out filming with DSLRs it wa a very exciting time, magic lantern changed so much, gh1-gh2s amazing details with bitrate hacks...it was a very exciting time, where we weren`t waiting on a new camera, but a new camera hack. what happened to this "movement"? have cameras been pushed to the end, are they hack protected that well or have manufacturers just give us everything we wanted in budget dslr/slr? Magic lanter seems to be at a standstill, no hacks for the GH series since the gh3. there seems to be alot of effort put in hacking the nikon cameras, but is taking very long due to a small team.So, what do you think? With cameras being more and more app based, why aren`t there any apps? we have them for phones, tablest, but not cameras...On youtube, last evening, I stumbled upon the Magic Lantern hacks (actually the extra firmware, since it doesn't really mess with the original firmware), and was amazed by the features. There were some excellent ones, and the whole movement was really path-breaking in almost every way. But, I went through a lot of videos, and I realized, that Magic Lantern had way too many features. And, most users used about 10-20% of those in total, so most of these features were wasted.Most importantly, Magic Lantern had some serious money and time constraints, since all the excellent work was Pro Bono. If Magic Lantern had created a KickStarter kind of campaign (I wonder if Canon would have tried to block such an effort?), it could have gathered the necessary funding to be able to dedicate more time and money to such good work. After all, no matter how good an idea is, if it doesn't sell, it dies out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantsin Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Different theory: video quality-improving hacks have become much less relevant since Blackmagic cameras are on the market. If your primary concern is image quality, buy a Blackmagic (cheaply even - second-hand BM Pockets can be had for about $400), shoot raw or ProRes, and be happy. Other cameras might be more user friendly, but that user friendliness often is compromised when you install hacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Tecno Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Think about what they could do with nx1! benymypony and kaylee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enny Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 I was all about ML but when BMPCC come out that did it for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Think about what they could do with nx1!I agree. A "developers" camera that is supported by ML would go really far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Tecno Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 And I add that I'd be ready to pay for a custom fw for nx1, if it adds what samsung is not adding (look the long list published here on this forum back in february/march). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 I agree. A "developers" camera that is supported by ML would go really far.it exists, is the Aperture Axiom Beta WyattMaurer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WyattMaurer Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 I think it comes down to a more mature market that ask more of its cameras and the progression of online videography in general. It's no longer stills cameras w a nifty video mode that a bunch of diy peeps/ hobbyist/maybe some promotional people are having fun messing around with. Nowadays as web video becomes a more and more omnipresent and culturally prevelant form of communication people are looking for more stability/intuitiveness from their cameras. As awesome and beautiful as ml raw is it is by no means intuitive or stable. The market is also more fragmented and people have tons of options that can get them tons/most of the features they want/prioritize at a price they can bare w no hacking or fiddling required.The Aperatus project definitely keeps the hacking spirit alive and makes more sense from a usability perspective because of the ground up nature of it. If your interested in this sort of thing that is definitely worth checking out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agolex Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 I believe people are doing less and less for the heck of it. Everything has to lead into something. Also with companies like Samsung contacting underground software makers (if it's true), they might be working for the big players already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tugela Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 The difference between now and then is that manufacturers are delivering on the video potential of stills cameras, we have products like the GH4, the NX1 and Sony's latest offerings. So the need to hack to get advanced video has largely gone away. There are too many good options for stock cameras, and more are constantly arriving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantsin Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 The difference between now and then is that manufacturers are delivering on the video potential of stills cameras, we have products like the GH4, the NX1 and Sony's latest offerings. So the need to hack to get advanced video has largely gone away. There are too many good options for stock cameras, and more are constantly arriving.Indeed - and the way to squeeze out the very best video quality from those cameras is to connect them to an external recorder. That will give you better video quality than hacks will achieve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagnje Posted September 12, 2015 Author Share Posted September 12, 2015 Many solid points here. I agree, that cameras largly deliver what you need. But still...lets say that sony a6000 had live histogram, false color, 100mbs...those are simple things that were enabled on "antient" cameras. I'm sure that everybody who films with that camera would have bought an "app" like that. I know that most external recorders or external screen will give you that, but those are a 1000€ add ons on a 500€ camera. Also that add on makes it a rig instead of a pocket camera. And please tell me who wouldn't own one if it did raw video I know nothing about programing but, I guess someone could make something out of this.https://sony-pmca.appspot.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf33d Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 So do you think ML will hack the 5D4 or they are completly dead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagnje Posted September 13, 2015 Author Share Posted September 13, 2015 Well I sure do hope for them and their familylies sake that they're alive and well. But I don't know. I've been using the same build of ml on my camera for about 3 years now and it's the only reasson I don't get rid of that camera and a reasson why I will probably always own a canon camera. Unles ml or a similar software is doable on another brand in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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