wolf33d Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 http://admiringlight.com/blog/the-sliding-scale-of-camera-capabilities/That applies 100% to video. Interesting to see how Canon was a killer, democratizing the industry for stills and then for video (5D2) by releasing affordable devices with pro features. Such a shame it is not the case anymore. What changed at Canon? All of this because of their Cine line I hate it, and hate all of you who are buying C100, C300, C500 that make money to Canon and make them cripple the 7Ds/5Ds bodies for us non professional ... Without this Cine line, we would get a 5D4 with 4K with great bitrate and Canon Log - DPAF and so on.......I still think 5D4 will have 4K unlike many of you (don't imagine how a body can come in 2016 without 4K, that would be non imaginable) when even iPhones get 4K. But it will probably a 5D3 like video, which means not clean, poor bitrate, no HFR, ...Anyway. Rinad Amir, Emanuel, kaylee and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 All of this because of their Cine line I hate it, and hate all of you who are buying C100, C300, C500 that make money to Canon and make them cripple the 7Ds/5Ds bodiesVery true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docmoore Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Perhaps the $500 differential between the C100 and the 5D3 is too much? http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/889545-REG/Canon_EOS_C100_EF_Cinema.htmlhttp://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/847545-REG/Canon_5260A002_EOS_5D_Mark_III.html It has been mentioned on this site that buying the new new thing is a costly enterprise.Canon has a Cine line for the pros who cannot tolerate overheating color issues and batteries that last for a shorter time than most sound bites. I imagine thatthey do not think saddling their customers with poorly executed solutions and expecting them to pay again for the next rendition is a great business model.Not defending them just stepping away from all the technologic advances that cost you much more over time. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagnje Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 4k 4k 4k Why is everybody so obsessed with this??? You think it will make you or your videos better?? All it will do is make you spend 4k€ on a computer that will make everything work smooth. 4k is a consumer thing for now...I will take a clean, flat moire and aliasing free prores footage with actual usable 10 stops of DR for the next 2 years at least over any kind of 4k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 I found it interesting when I learned that Canon actually didn't really foresee that including video in a dslr was going to take off that the way it did. In other words they were not planning for it, it just sort of happened. And they made a mint on it. I think this reflects on why they never really pumped up dslr video specs, aside from the 1Dc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 4k 4k 4k Why is everybody so obsessed with this??? You think it will make you or your videos better?? All it will do is make you spend 4k€ on a computer that will make everything work smooth. 4k is a consumer thing for now...I will take a clean, flat moire and aliasing free prores footage with actual usable 10 stops of DR for the next 2 years at least over any kind of 4k. Right.Explain now to the consumer who spent some hundred bucks today on that brand new 4K display in the place of the great grandparents' crucifix in the Catholic family's living room (choose the Bible to Orthodoxes, Pentecostals, Baptists, Adventists and so on, other sacred books to other confessions): resolution... who cares?!- Emanuel http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?340174-new-4K-iPhone-6s-can-edit-4K-video-in-iMovie-on-the-phone&p=1986574974&viewfull=1#post1986574974 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTRT Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 My first digital camera was a Canon Powershot S10:http://***URL removed***/reviews/canons10/11"Image Quality: 9.5"I know it's nothing like what is on the market now, but man, the amazing photos I took with that - and have framed in my house... Oh and I just checked the inflation calculator, in todays money that thing would cost $775! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRenaissanceMan Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 It has been mentioned on this site that buying the new new thing is a costly enterprise.Canon has a Cine line for the pros who cannot tolerate overheating color issues and batteries that last for a shorter time than most sound bites. I imagine thatthey do not think saddling their customers with poorly executed solutions and expecting them to pay again for the next rendition is a great business model.Neither does Panasonic... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I found the article to be long, rambling and confused. There is no clear idea stated in the intro, and the conclusion mentions a bunch of cameras not even dicussed in the body paragraphs. And it is unclear exactly what 'sliding scale' refers to. Right.Explain now to the consumer who spent some hundred bucks today on that brand new 4K display in the place of the great grandparents' crucifix in the Catholic family's living room (choose the Bible to Orthodoxes, Pentecostals, Baptists, Adventists and so on, other sacred books to other confessions): resolution... who cares?!- Emanuel http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?340174-new-4K-iPhone-6s-can-edit-4K-video-in-iMovie-on-the-phone&p=1986574974&viewfull=1#post1986574974 what have the bible and crucifix got anything at all to do with this discussion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 what have the bible and crucifix got anything at all to do with this discussion?Symbols. http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?340174-new-4K-iPhone-6s-can-edit-4K-video-in-iMovie-on-the-phone&p=1986574974&viewfull=1#post1986574974 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sekhar Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Oh no, not another "camera doesn't matter" threads. It's like the central limit theorem in math: all discussions of tech will eventually degenerate to a "tech doesn't matter" discussions given enough member participation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagnje Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 not that it doesn`t matter...it maters a whole lot, it just doesn`t matter so much if its 4k or not, at least not at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 not that it doesn`t matter...it maters a whole lot, it just doesn`t matter so much if its 4k or not, at least not at the moment.YOU say so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRenaissanceMan Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 YOU say so...And most of the industry. https://vimeo.com/106153701Seriously dude, let it go. 4K is nice to have, not need to have. Compression, color depth, bit depth, DR, and color science matter much more. sunyata and CTRT 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 And most of the industry. https://vimeo.com/106153701Seriously dude, let it go. 4K is nice to have, not need to have. Compression, color depth, bit depth, DR, and color science matter much more.Should I call you dude too?Very well... hey dude, no clue on your age but something I can tell you even if this can sound too harsh. No pun intended. I am used to eat cinematographers at breakfast. For twenty years now.:-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRenaissanceMan Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Should I call you dude too?Very well... hey dude, no clue on your age but something I can tell you even if this can sound too harsh. No pun intended. I am used to eat cinematographers at breakfast. For twenty years now.:-)Oh, are we dissecting each other's sentences now? "I am used to eat cinematographers at breakfast" isn't English. "For twenty years now." isn't a sentence. Being in the industry for 20 years doesn't make you the single credible authority on cinematography. And if you were that big a deal, I doubt you'd hang out on EOSHD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Oh, are we dissecting each other's sentences now? "I am used to eat cinematographers at breakfast" isn't English. "For twenty years now." isn't a sentence. Being in the industry for 20 years doesn't make you the single credible authority on cinematography. And if you were that big a deal, I doubt you'd hang out on EOSHD. Mate, so you decide to be my tutor and correct my nonstandard English? LOL C'mon, give a break to your own sanity for your own sake. Yes, it happens people to have some other mother tongue. Your point is? I guess I've just started to repeat myself. We had crossed each other in some other thread earlier today, isn't it? Let me see, the discussion let you move it to here?! ;-) For the sake of your spontaneous invectives, who wrote "the single credible authority on cinematography"?? You : P And don't be disrespectful with EOSHD or you are with every single member used to post here. Go figure if someone would dare to subjectively criticize your own. Ad hominem atacks are a very dirty sport to begin with. They tell a lot about the quality of the man behind an alias. My name and background is in my signature. Yours? Who is the man I have now the commission to chat with? Be a gentleman to this community and reach me on my PM box. You can try to send your message in my native language in order to clear up the things a little bit to me... haha shooter and nffclml2ppl 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sekhar Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 And if you were that big a deal, I doubt you'd hang out on EOSHD. OUCH. What a bunch of losers we all are. shooter and Emanuel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRenaissanceMan Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 OUCH. What a bunch of losers we all are.I didn't mean it like that. But it's not like Chris Nolan and Spielberg are going to hang out on EOSHD. They're just not the market. We're indie guys, event shooters, corporate shooters, hobbyists, and the like. I'd love to be wrong, but I don't think there's a lot of high-end cinema shooters here. You might count Ed David, but he barely posts here anyway. Mate, so you decide to be my tutor and correct my nonstandard English? LOL C'mon, give a break to your own sanity for your own sake. Yes, it happens people to have some other mother tongue. Your point is? I guess I've just started to repeat myself. We had crossed each other in some other thread earlier today, isn't it? Let me see, the discussion let you move it to here?! ;-) For the sake of your spontaneous invectives, who wrote "the single credible authority on cinematography"?? You : P And don't be disrespectful with EOSHD or you are with every single member used to post here. Go figure if someone would dare to subjectively criticize your own. Ad hominem atacks are a very dirty sport to begin with. They tell a lot about the quality of the man behind an alias. My name and background is in my signature. Yours? Who is the man I have now the commission to chat with? Be a gentleman to this community and reach me on my PM box. You can try to send your message in my native language in order to clear up the things a little bit to me... hahaWow, alright. I didn't know English was your second language. I was simply responding to your criticizing me for using "dude."I'm also not trying to attack you. I disagree with your assertion that 4:2:2 is more important than 8-bit, and that 4K doesn't matter as much as other factors. You've gotten very emotional about both problems and responded not with a compelling argument supporting your claim, but with a flawed test, baseless assertions, and a holier than thou "I eat professional cinematographers for breakfast" attitude I find unwelcome and unhelpful to the conversation at hand. It might help if you state your opinion in a way that leaves room for dissent without denigrating others for it. A collegiate atmosphere, in my experience, does a lot to improve the approach-ability and level of discourse of a forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 enough already, gentlemen. let's keep it civil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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