BrorSvensson Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Hi! I'm thinking about getting a atomos ninja II now that the price has gone down to 300 dollars, i've heard that prores is a much better codec to film with. I shoot mostly skateboarding like sports so lots of fast action and lots of movement. Will the better codec give me a better image? If i understood right from some videos prores wont show diffrence on still videos but on action/movment shots i will se smoother motion because of the Intra frame codec, i that right?Do you guys think i should get one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Unless you are planning moving to 4K anytime soon (which is the reason they lowered their prices) then yes you will end up with not only smoother motion but also greater tonal flexibility during grading. You will not notice any difference in resolution but the less compression will give you less macroblocking and finer noise that will make even individual frames look better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrorSvensson Posted September 24, 2015 Author Share Posted September 24, 2015 Unless you are planning moving to 4K anytime soon (which is the reason they lowered their prices) then yes you will end up with not only smoother motion but also greater tonal flexibility during grading. You will not notice any difference in resolution but the less compression will give you less macroblocking and finer noise that will make even individual frames look better. Sounds like exactly what i want, can it do 60p prores? That's someting i have to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagnje Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 nope, 30p is max in 1080p. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 nope, 30p is max in 1080p.Correct. For 60p invest in a 4k recorder... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldolega Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Or wait for the BlackMagic Video Assist to come out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ebrahim Saadawi Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 The 300$ ninja is a great gadget to have as a filmmaker, for any camera past or later really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrorSvensson Posted September 24, 2015 Author Share Posted September 24, 2015 nope, 30p is max in 1080p.thats a real bummer, i really need 60p in my work flow. Like you guys said, i might take a look at that Blackmagic one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ebrahim Saadawi Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 To get 60p you need two things, first is the camera to have a camera outputting a 60p HDMI signal, and to have a recorder that can record a 60p signal. Neither the A7 series outputs 60p nor the ninja records 60p. In fact, very, very view cameras output a 60p signal through HDMI, the only one I can remember is the Canon C100 MKII, and the only recorders that accept a 60p signal are the -Atomos Assassin/Shogun, -the Odyssey Q7+ (both 4K recorders)For 60p you'll have to go with internal recording for a while, High frame rate external recording is only available through HD-SDI on select cameras (Cion, C500, URSA, URSA Mini, FS700, FS7, F5) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrorSvensson Posted September 24, 2015 Author Share Posted September 24, 2015 To get 60p you need two things, first is the camera to have a camera outputting a 60p HDMI signal, and to have a recorder that can record a 60p signal. Neither the A7 series outputs 60p nor the ninja records 60p. In fact, very, very view cameras output a 60p signal through HDMI, the only one I can remember is the Canon C100 MKII, and the only recorders that accept a 60p signal are the -Atomos Assassin/Shogun, -the Odyssey Q7+ (both 4K recorders)For 60p you'll have to go with internal recording for a while, High frame rate external recording is only available through HD-SDI on select cameras (Cion, C500, URSA, URSA Mini, FS700, FS7, F5)Oh that sucks, but thanks for the great info! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooter Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 8 bit can be enough. Compression is the problem. External recorder better for video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 To get 60p you need two things, first is the camera to have a camera outputting a 60p HDMI signal, and to have a recorder that can record a 60p signal. Neither the A7 series outputs 60p nor the ninja records 60p. In fact, very, very view cameras output a 60p signal through HDMI, the only one I can remember is the Canon C100 MKII, and the only recorders that accept a 60p signal are the -Atomos Assassin/Shogun, -the Odyssey Q7+ (both 4K recorders)For 60p you'll have to go with internal recording for a while, High frame rate external recording is only available through HD-SDI on select cameras (Cion, C500, URSA, URSA Mini, FS700, FS7, F5) Oh that sucks, but thanks for the great info!I am pretty sure that A7 does output 60p. Also from their advertising:"Capture Full 1920 x 1080 HD uncompressed clean-screen video files with external recording devices via an HDMI connection in 60p and 60i frame rates. Selectable in-camera AVCHD codec frame rates include super-smooth 60p, standard 60i or cinematic 24p, while MP4 codec is also available for smaller files for easier upload to the web." BrorSvensson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ebrahim Saadawi Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 You're correct my bad, it's a great and quite rare feature so it's a shame the feature can't be exploited without a 2000$-ish recorder.How about the a7s? Does it output 60p too? in s35 and/or FF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldolega Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I believe the GH4 also outputs 60p. And once the VA is out you won't need a $2000 recorder to capture it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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